Would you buy an Alfa Romeo Giulia?
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dme123 said:
I remember reading some commentary from an industry insider quite recently that the quality control revolution that swept the Western manufacturers in the 1990s completely bypassed Fiat and, to a lesser extent, Chrysler. The culture and respect for the processes required to manufacture a consistent product need to run deep, and take a real sustained effort over a long period to ingrain into everyone in the organisation. I suspect both Fiat and Chrysler have spent so long in crisis and experienced so many changes in management that this has simply not been done.
I shall see if I can dig out what I read, but from my experience of the inconsistency in quality of FCA group products it seems quite plausible. My work at the moment also brings me into regular contact with one of the big leasing companies, and it's very interesting to hear their statistically relevant experience as opposed to "I reckon" b
ks and meaningless JD Power satisfaction surveys.
Your first paragraph is based on I shall see if I can dig out what I read, but from my experience of the inconsistency in quality of FCA group products it seems quite plausible. My work at the moment also brings me into regular contact with one of the big leasing companies, and it's very interesting to hear their statistically relevant experience as opposed to "I reckon" b
ks and meaningless JD Power satisfaction surveys.dme123 said:
"I reckon" bks
and your second denounces such ksdme123 said:
"I reckon" bks
Guess that makes it all recursive bksks then?!I don't think I would.
But I've never understood the love for modem Alfa Romeo anyway. I've been in most modern ones and run a couple as company hacks. I always thought they were pretty average to drive and to look at. And felt flimsy and gave me some inconveniencing unreliability.
So the head vs heart thing, the desire for Alfa to be great again, nope, it just doesn't figure in my mind.
If it's an objectively better can than the opposition then yes, I'd not rule one out. But I'm not hearing that - I'm hearing it's up to the same levels.
But the whole desire not to just not have a c class / 3 series? Nope, don't get that either. They're perfectly decent cars which I'd not rule out, simply because of their popularity.
Just IMO.
But I've never understood the love for modem Alfa Romeo anyway. I've been in most modern ones and run a couple as company hacks. I always thought they were pretty average to drive and to look at. And felt flimsy and gave me some inconveniencing unreliability.
So the head vs heart thing, the desire for Alfa to be great again, nope, it just doesn't figure in my mind.
If it's an objectively better can than the opposition then yes, I'd not rule one out. But I'm not hearing that - I'm hearing it's up to the same levels.
But the whole desire not to just not have a c class / 3 series? Nope, don't get that either. They're perfectly decent cars which I'd not rule out, simply because of their popularity.
Just IMO.
V6Alfisti said:
kambites said:
So buying a 1.6 tonne saloon as a track car is completely normal and sensible?
plenty of people do just that with the M3, and the M5 is the ring taxi. 
I wouldn't have thought anyone in their right minds would buy a new M3 or M5 as a track car. This is a bit besides the point anyway; my point was that focussing on track times with a road car tends to make the car worse at what it's actually going to be used for. The Germans tend to be the worst culprits for this, it's sad to see Alfa going down the same route.
Edited by kambites on Friday 2nd December 09:04
I was looking at the Quadrifoglio version to replace my XC90 as we will not need such a large car once the kids go to Uni in a couple of years but the Stelvio Quadrifoglio would go down much better with the wife so if that has a large enough boot. Wife approval is important as we share this car as we do our other cars, no point buying something she won't drive.
tankplanker said:
I was looking at the Quadrifoglio version to replace my XC90 as we will not need such a large car once the kids go to Uni in a couple of years but the Stelvio Quadrifoglio would go down much better with the wife so if that has a large enough boot. Wife approval is important as we share this car as we do our other cars, no point buying something she won't drive.
What do you need to regularly carry that is so big? The Giulia´s boot seemed pretty big when I looked at it - certainly competitive for the sector. Why have to live with SUV handling when you could have a saloon?generationx said:
What do you need to regularly carry that is so big? The Giulia´s boot seemed pretty big when I looked at it - certainly competitive for the sector. Why have to live with SUV handling when you could have a saloon?
Wife prefers SUV, thats the most important thing for the car. We have to agree on the shared family car, our dailies we get free choice. The Giulia's boot wasn't really practical enough for putting stuff in/out as it had big lips when I looked at it. The biggest problem is that we have to put the dog in there, he could go in the back seats but then that needs special covers as he will get muddy. For trips away we have various assorted camping and climbing gear (including bouldering mats). When we last camped in August, admittedly with the kids, we filled the boot of the Volvo for a five day trip away.
Vitorio said:
...The Giulia is basically what the 75 would be 30 years on, and not to detract from the 155, 156 and 159, but the Giulia is what an Alfa saloon should be.
I have a 2.5 V6 156 SW facelift, love it dearly but for the FWD - I have dreams of ripping its heart out & spinning it through 90°.... but alas then it would no longer be road legal here...The Giulia looks like an Audi M3.... not much Alfa left in the design - a little like the New Ducatis no longer look like Ducatis... Or perhaps I'm getting old...
Nope, approx 4yrs ago I worked for a company that had a few Mito's & 159sw's none of which were old or high mileage yet were falling apart already. That & the nearest retailer being over 20 miles away isn't exactly convenient. As for the Alfa fan boy earlier in the thread stating the 159 build quality is similar to an Audi 
I'd like to see Alfa up their game & suceed this time just so there's still something else on offer other than the usual german dominance in this sector.
I'd like to see Alfa up their game & suceed this time just so there's still something else on offer other than the usual german dominance in this sector.
Edited by Richard-390a0 on Friday 2nd December 15:07
Edited by Richard-390a0 on Friday 2nd December 15:09
TwigtheWonderkid said:
bobtail4x4 said:
Im looking into a 180bhp one as my next lease car.
still trying to sort a test drive.
Be interested on how you get on. Alfas traditionally make no sense leasing, as uncertainty over residuals make the lease too expensive compared to German rivals. still trying to sort a test drive.
I like the look of the Giulia. My problem is that I keep my cars a long time, or at least like them to feel as good after a few years as they did when new.
My E90 BMW was still feeling solid and looking great after 7 years and 105k miles.
Will the Alfa pull off that trick? I hope so, but I'm not going to be one of the guinea pigs to find out.
Unfortunately for Alfa, if this is a great car and establishes them (which will take a model cycle or two to really pay off), I fear they may have backed the wrong horse. Is the money really going to be in this market in 10 years? Or would they have been better off fighting on new territory where there is a genuine chance to establish market leadership, such as a BEV?
My E90 BMW was still feeling solid and looking great after 7 years and 105k miles.
Will the Alfa pull off that trick? I hope so, but I'm not going to be one of the guinea pigs to find out.
Unfortunately for Alfa, if this is a great car and establishes them (which will take a model cycle or two to really pay off), I fear they may have backed the wrong horse. Is the money really going to be in this market in 10 years? Or would they have been better off fighting on new territory where there is a genuine chance to establish market leadership, such as a BEV?
hornetrider said:
My VW ones rotate with the wheel and I find that highly annoying. Would much rather they stayed in situ.
Same in my car. I'd much rather they were fixed. Each to their own, I guess. But yeah, I'd have a Giulia over its German rivals. If I was after such a car that is.
rxe said:
To be fair our 159 2.4 is s 2009 car and is fully intact and working at 78,000 miles. Interior is holding together just fine, despite the best efforts of very large dog and smaller children.
Almost the same with my 156, 2004 so over 12 yearsold, 93,000+ miles - the only thing not working is the rear windows...Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff