RE: RS about face: PH Blog
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RamboLambo said:
Yeah drove one and agree it does drive well but its so plain looking even in nitrous blue it was hard to distinguish it from a base model and no sports car should be 5 door let alone a RS.
Ford was appealing to a broader market hoping to sell a shed load which I'm sure they will do but for that reason it will never be a classic. Just far too many of them around.
A quick glance in the classifieds will show you how many are for sale already.
Mk II has a cult following the Mk III won't its a mum and dads car for 2.2 kids in the back
Jesus fecking wept. Any TRUE RS FAN knows that the saff cossie waspretty bland on the grand scheme pf things (a ghia with some lipstick), it also had more than 2drs, yet that didnt hinder their sales did it?? also that pretty much the reason for Ford making the RS road cars back in the day, it was about making road going rally/fast/sporty cars for the masses!!! Limited production wasnt a thing. They sold until they where replaced and/or lost customers!! Also pretty sure there was over 30,000 cossies made. Ford was appealing to a broader market hoping to sell a shed load which I'm sure they will do but for that reason it will never be a classic. Just far too many of them around.
A quick glance in the classifieds will show you how many are for sale already.
Mk II has a cult following the Mk III won't its a mum and dads car for 2.2 kids in the back
Problemtoday is, even the average joe in society expects too much from everything in life. 30yrs ago, a 200bhp 3dr family hatchback was deemed "awesome". But today a 350bhp practical, full of tech (4wd and fancy entertainment system and drive modes etc),all built under strict safety and emissions rules etc, is deemed "dull as dish water" 😖
Well Matt, I'm glad to see you and Dan are now getting to see what the RS is all about. I doubt that you recall my spirited defense of the RS in your comparo with the CTR, but at the time I suggested that you wait to see what the RS was capable of when the road got dicey. Pretty freakin' amazing isn't it. In the wet, in the snow, on gravel and on dirt the RS really is a credit to the badge.
Edited by RocketRS on Saturday 26th November 06:18
DM525i said:
That video was great to watch, I'm not against drifting, it looks like serious fun but the idea that anyone can drift at the touch of a button is a bit scary as proven by the crash. Ford spent so much time and money making the Focus act like a RWD in drift mode. Why the hell did they not just design the car so it could be oversteered with lift off? How much is that system going to cost when it breaks, which knowing modern cars I most definitely will do. Great video.
Ford didn't spend a bunch of time and money on the "Drift Mode". It was actually a serendipitous accident of sorts. It's simply the product of pushing the limits of the new Twinster. As far as what it will cost if it breaks....well....nothing, while it's under warranty. There are many guys pushing beyond 400 whp, and I haven't heard of a single catostrophic RDU failure. (There were a few reported fluid leaks early on.) And should one break without a warranty, I imagine it'll be less expensive to replace than a Torsen Diff. It's not an exotic engineering exercise by any means. It's simply the natural evolution of materials science and computer tech. It's a rather simple system actually. Simple and elegant.RocketRS said:
It's a rather simple system actually. Simple and elegant.
I think it is very smart, no center diff, no rear diff, just two clutch packs. Caveat is that rear drive is 100% a question of electronic calibration. For what it is, an all surface/weather road car, it is great from what I just read here. But someone like Advevo who will constantly push its envelope in rally cross style, I can readily believe the limitations in calibration are exposed. As such, it is not a mechanically pure system. I haven't driven it and I don't want to, because if I like it I can't have it, the boot is way too small for family duty. If the mk4 has an estate and it loses 50kg in the process, I'm all game.
But I do have two cars, one with an electronically controlled lsd, and one with a torsen lsd. The former feels unobtrusive and more effective most of the time, but the torsen with all its faults, is the predictable and mechanically purer one. No shame in pointing out the differences...
Edited by Onehp on Saturday 26th November 10:02
Ahbefive said:
SidewaysSi said:
It came pretty low in both Autocar and EVO car of the year tests.
Sounds a bit over hyped to me.
Try driving oneSounds a bit over hyped to me.
SidewaysSi said:
It came pretty low in both Autocar and EVO car of the year tests.
Sounds a bit over hyped to me.
But to be fair, at the end of the day, it's a heavy, high CofG, front engined, family sized car, and you can through as much "clever" chassis and powertrain tech as you like at it, but it still won't be a better car to drive than the other, mostly sports car based vehicles on those tests.Sounds a bit over hyped to me.
I mean, Focus RS or Fezza 488? Not a very difficult decision if the test is "Best Drivers Car" now is it....... ;-)
Max_Torque said:
SidewaysSi said:
It came pretty low in both Autocar and EVO car of the year tests.
Sounds a bit over hyped to me.
But to be fair, at the end of the day, it's a heavy, high CofG, front engined, family sized car, and you can through as much "clever" chassis and powertrain tech as you like at it, but it still won't be a better car to drive than the other, mostly sports car based vehicles on those tests.Sounds a bit over hyped to me.
I mean, Focus RS or Fezza 488? Not a very difficult decision if the test is "Best Drivers Car" now is it....... ;-)
SidewaysSi said:
Ahbefive said:
SidewaysSi said:
It came pretty low in both Autocar and EVO car of the year tests.
Sounds a bit over hyped to me.
Try driving oneSounds a bit over hyped to me.
If you didn't like it then fair enough but I struggle to see much to criticise with it.
Pointy direct steering with good feel, great brakes, torquey powerful engine, phenomenal handling, good sounds, lots of toys. What bits didn't you like?
Edited by Ahbefive on Saturday 26th November 13:17
Ahbefive said:
SidewaysSi said:
Ahbefive said:
SidewaysSi said:
It came pretty low in both Autocar and EVO car of the year tests.
Sounds a bit over hyped to me.
Try driving oneSounds a bit over hyped to me.
Edited by SidewaysSi on Saturday 26th November 13:21
Ahbefive said:
You didn't answer my question.
Also its not front drive, it feels rear drive if anything when pushed and it certainlt doesn't ferl its weight. Thats why I'm interested to hear what you didn't like?
And what question is that? For me, the steering was poor and the car was too heavy feeling at normal speeds. But I like my cars hardcore so it was not that surprising. Also its not front drive, it feels rear drive if anything when pushed and it certainlt doesn't ferl its weight. Thats why I'm interested to hear what you didn't like?
I am sure it is fine if you want something new that is a jack of all trades.
SidewaysSi said:
And what question is that? For me, the steering was poor and the car was too heavy feeling at normal speeds. But I like my cars hardcore so it was not that surprising.
I am sure it is fine if you want something new that is a jack of all trades.
The steering is excellent. Very sharp and lots of feedback for a modern car. This is pretty well documented in reviews.I am sure it is fine if you want something new that is a jack of all trades.
The car feels much lighter than it is in bends but does have that solid feeling that modern cars generally have.
Its no Exige in terms of feedback and lightweightedness but personally I actually think its more fun than the Exige S I drove round Silverstone.
Ahbefive said:
SidewaysSi said:
And what question is that? For me, the steering was poor and the car was too heavy feeling at normal speeds. But I like my cars hardcore so it was not that surprising.
I am sure it is fine if you want something new that is a jack of all trades.
The steering is excellent. Very sharp and lots of feedback for a modern car. This is pretty well documented in reviews.I am sure it is fine if you want something new that is a jack of all trades.
The car feels much lighter than it is in bends but does have that solid feeling that modern cars generally have.
Its no Exige in terms of feedback and lightweightedness but personally I actually think its more fun than the Exige S I drove round Silverstone.
Put it this way - I got back in my 20 year old BMW worth very little and had more fun at road speeds...
Overhaul said:
I love fast Fords, always have done and always will.
However I'll just leave this here.........
https://youtu.be/p8DKosz9zi4
However I'll just leave this here.........
https://youtu.be/p8DKosz9zi4
Ahbefive said:
But the steering on your BMW is like sailing a cruise liner in comparison. The RS steering is so direct its quite awesome. Each to their own indeed.
My car is not standard. For feel and ease of oversteer there is no comparison. Feel and directness are very different things. I am no fan of modern cars in general though.Max_Torque said:
but it still won't be a better car to drive than the other, mostly sports car based vehicles on those tests.
I mean, Focus RS or Fezza 488? Not a very difficult decision if the test is "Best Drivers Car" now is it....... ;-)
Real road tested only (Evo), a certain lightweight fxd equipped fwd car ended very high though... I mean, Focus RS or Fezza 488? Not a very difficult decision if the test is "Best Drivers Car" now is it....... ;-)
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