Best smoker barges 1-5 large [vol11]
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E24man said:
Link to Touring for sale...
http://www.classiccarauctions.co.uk/bmw-alpina-bmw...
Yes, the V8S has bespoke Brembo brakes which have proven to be like no other, in that there are no after-market options for the discs or pads - there is just brembo as the supplier due to their size being a unique one-off. I forget the actual figures but budget on around £1500 if you need discs and pads for the front.
The V8 has standard 540i brakes so you can budget on about £100 for the same front discs and pads and about another £100 for exchange front calipers, although M5 brakes and calipers were listed as an option on later B10 V8 cars.
I wouldn't know about replacement calipers for the V8S but I'm fairly sure you need to be sat down when you hear the price.
For odd-sized brakes like that it's well worth contacting a motorsport brake supplier - get some bells made up and discs to suit them, the whole enterprise will be less than that for the first set, then much cheaper continuing.http://www.classiccarauctions.co.uk/bmw-alpina-bmw...
Yes, the V8S has bespoke Brembo brakes which have proven to be like no other, in that there are no after-market options for the discs or pads - there is just brembo as the supplier due to their size being a unique one-off. I forget the actual figures but budget on around £1500 if you need discs and pads for the front.
The V8 has standard 540i brakes so you can budget on about £100 for the same front discs and pads and about another £100 for exchange front calipers, although M5 brakes and calipers were listed as an option on later B10 V8 cars.
I wouldn't know about replacement calipers for the V8S but I'm fairly sure you need to be sat down when you hear the price.
Pads are a different story of course!
Beautiful car though, surely a V8S tourer would be up there as the solution to a strict 1-car garage? (Not likely in this thread's company though!)
r129sl said:
I know what you mean, Oa. I left Deansgate in Manchester at 11pm and am just putting my head down 175 miles away. I need a fast distance car, something very happy at 110.
You're a brave man! Have to be honest I'd be far too concerned about being caught. I used to work in Manchester in the mid 90's and would commute back and forth to Glasgow at the weekends. I used to hammer it up the road, when I think back now I'm suprised I was never clocked, I'd never get away with it now, roads are far more congested and "policed."Once you're away from Cheshire's jurisdiction you'll be OK - in 2013 there were only 4 trafpol covering the whole of Lancashire, and most of their time is spent going from one accident to another apparently!
Straight from the horse's mouth, while I was chatting to the copper who came to a smash I was involved in. Can't imagine much has changed in the last few years.
Straight from the horse's mouth, while I was chatting to the copper who came to a smash I was involved in. Can't imagine much has changed in the last few years.
E24man said:
Edit to add; The last quoted price I could find for discs was £1270 + vat a pair, and £430 + vat for a set of pads.
Calipers were quoted at £400 to refurbish.
I remember when I'd the Maserati 4200, discs were Maserati only supplied, we got a friendly disc supplier to take one and measure it up and then go through his data base, sure enough he found the same spec disc and we ordered 100 plus setsCalipers were quoted at £400 to refurbish.
Edited by E24man on Wednesday 30th November 09:08
Think they went from £800 a pair to £200. One option I suppose!
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Parisien said:
E24man said:
Edit to add; The last quoted price I could find for discs was £1270 + vat a pair, and £430 + vat for a set of pads.
Calipers were quoted at £400 to refurbish.
I remember when I'd the Maserati 4200, discs were Maserati only supplied, we got a friendly disc supplier to take one and measure it up and then go through his data base, sure enough he found the same spec disc and we ordered 100 plus setsCalipers were quoted at £400 to refurbish.
Edited by E24man on Wednesday 30th November 09:08
Think they went from £800 a pair to £200. One option I suppose!
E24man said:
r129sl said:
E24man said:
Link to Touring for sale...
I wouldn't know about replacement calipers for the V8S but I'm fairly sure you need to be sat down when you hear the price.
What a smashing car. I would have thought replacement callipers cost the same as those for the V8/540! Though you'd have to do the discs and pads at the same time...I wouldn't know about replacement calipers for the V8S but I'm fairly sure you need to be sat down when you hear the price.
olly755 said:
Parisien said:
E24man said:
Edit to add; The last quoted price I could find for discs was £1270 + vat a pair, and £430 + vat for a set of pads.
Calipers were quoted at £400 to refurbish.
I remember when I'd the Maserati 4200, discs were Maserati only supplied, we got a friendly disc supplier to take one and measure it up and then go through his data base, sure enough he found the same spec disc and we ordered 100 plus setsCalipers were quoted at £400 to refurbish.
Edited by E24man on Wednesday 30th November 09:08
Think they went from £800 a pair to £200. One option I suppose!
Krikkit said:
Once you're away from Cheshire's jurisdiction you'll be OK - in 2013 there were only 4 trafpol covering the whole of Lancashire, and most of their time is spent going from one accident to another apparently!
Straight from the horse's mouth, while I was chatting to the copper who came to a smash I was involved in. Can't imagine much has changed in the last few years.
There is almost no roads policing anywhere these days apart from the cameras and the smart motorway cameras definitely don't work when there is no variable limit. Austerity and all that. I saw none in either direction yesterday. I've been told by a Northumberland policeman that they have only two traffic cars covering the whole county at night, and it's a big county. Besides, the 124 is invisible: I figure policemen simply do not notice a clapped out old Mercedes.Straight from the horse's mouth, while I was chatting to the copper who came to a smash I was involved in. Can't imagine much has changed in the last few years.
Slightly disappointingly, despite running at 90 to 100 seemingly all the way, the average was a mere 70. The first 20miles getting out of Manchester were slow, then there was a closure and diversion near the Tyne Tunnel. It doesn't take much to reduce the average speed to something distinctly, er, average.
That kind of speed is at the limit of my 124's comfort zone. The engine is turning at just less than 4,500rpm. There isn't much left. Something like a w210 E430 or E55 would be better suited to the task. But the 124 is such a good all rounder I wouldn't want to replace it.
Parisien said:
I remember when I'd the Maserati 4200, discs were Maserati only supplied, we got a friendly disc supplier to take one and measure it up and then go through his data base, sure enough he found the same spec disc and we ordered 100 plus sets
Think they went from £800 a pair to £200. One option I suppose!
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This has been tried for the V8S but apparently there is nothing out there; in a similar vein the pads for the four piston Lucas Girling calipers on the front E34 B10 BiTurbo and B10 4.6 are about £275 a set from Alpina but some bright spark found that W126 S600 pads are identical save for the wear indicator... and about £40 a set. The wear indicator is a single loop of wire that can be fabricated very easily.Think they went from £800 a pair to £200. One option I suppose!
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It would be easy to replace the V8S brembo system with either the V8/540i or M5 system but then you'd lose something that makes the car unique and speacial, wouldn't you?
Both the E34 Lucas Girling and E39 Brembo calipers also have 'ALPINA' cast into them as well making it a little more noticeable to the cogniscenti that you have swapped them out for something cheaper....
r129sl said:
There is almost no roads policing anywhere these days apart from the cameras and the smart motorway cameras definitely don't work when there is no variable limit. Austerity and all that. I saw none in either direction yesterday. I've been told by a Northumberland policeman that they have only two traffic cars covering the whole county at night, and it's a big county. Besides, the 124 is invisible: I figure policemen simply do not notice a clapped out old Mercedes.
Slightly disappointingly, despite running at 90 to 100 seemingly all the way, the average was a mere 70. The first 20miles getting out of Manchester were slow, then there was a closure and diversion near the Tyne Tunnel. It doesn't take much to reduce the average speed to something distinctly, er, average.
That kind of speed is at the limit of my 124's comfort zone. The engine is turning at just less than 4,500rpm. There isn't much left. Something like a w210 E430 or E55 would be better suited to the task. But the 124 is such a good all rounder I wouldn't want to replace it.
The last thing you probably want is two points, but here they come anyway: Slightly disappointingly, despite running at 90 to 100 seemingly all the way, the average was a mere 70. The first 20miles getting out of Manchester were slow, then there was a closure and diversion near the Tyne Tunnel. It doesn't take much to reduce the average speed to something distinctly, er, average.
That kind of speed is at the limit of my 124's comfort zone. The engine is turning at just less than 4,500rpm. There isn't much left. Something like a w210 E430 or E55 would be better suited to the task. But the 124 is such a good all rounder I wouldn't want to replace it.
1) If you're planning to cane it down the M4, note that the 'smart' cameras around Bristol and Newport have recently been switched on 24/7. People have been sent tickets for doing 78mph in the middle of the night.
2) Heed that inner voice and buy my E430!
r129sl said:
Krikkit said:
Once you're away from Cheshire's jurisdiction you'll be OK - in 2013 there were only 4 trafpol covering the whole of Lancashire, and most of their time is spent going from one accident to another apparently!
Straight from the horse's mouth, while I was chatting to the copper who came to a smash I was involved in. Can't imagine much has changed in the last few years.
There is almost no roads policing anywhere these days apart from the cameras and the smart motorway cameras definitely don't work when there is no variable limit. Austerity and all that. I saw none in either direction yesterday. I've been told by a Northumberland policeman that they have only two traffic cars covering the whole county at night, and it's a big county. Besides, the 124 is invisible: I figure policemen simply do not notice a clapped out old Mercedes.Straight from the horse's mouth, while I was chatting to the copper who came to a smash I was involved in. Can't imagine much has changed in the last few years.
Slightly disappointingly, despite running at 90 to 100 seemingly all the way, the average was a mere 70. The first 20miles getting out of Manchester were slow, then there was a closure and diversion near the Tyne Tunnel. It doesn't take much to reduce the average speed to something distinctly, er, average.
That kind of speed is at the limit of my 124's comfort zone. The engine is turning at just less than 4,500rpm. There isn't much left. Something like a w210 E430 or E55 would be better suited to the task. But the 124 is such a good all rounder I wouldn't want to replace it.
Is that not a typical experience on other motorways at the moment?
^^^ This is the same for me. I see very little policing of any nature and almost never see camera vans on motorways.
I'm interested in covering ground rapidly, in comfort and in safety, and I am absolutely not interested in getting done for dangerous driving, so rarely stray much above 100. It's quite hard work driving above 120 and it burns too much fuel, so it all rather defeats the object. Besides, the 124 doesn't do more than a true 115.
I'm interested in covering ground rapidly, in comfort and in safety, and I am absolutely not interested in getting done for dangerous driving, so rarely stray much above 100. It's quite hard work driving above 120 and it burns too much fuel, so it all rather defeats the object. Besides, the 124 doesn't do more than a true 115.
Where I live there is virtually no enforcement (or none that can affect me much anyway) and despite having a car that is happy going a lot quicker, I find 100-110 is the sweet spot. Any more than that becomes an endless cycle of braking, accelerating again, and burning even more fuel than it does normally.
The wonderful thing about many of the cars on this thread is that they can cover large distances at high speed in complete comfort, despite costing a tiny fraction of their original price. It seems a shame not to at least occasionally use them in the manner in which they were intended.
The wonderful thing about many of the cars on this thread is that they can cover large distances at high speed in complete comfort, despite costing a tiny fraction of their original price. It seems a shame not to at least occasionally use them in the manner in which they were intended.
93DW said:
Just checking in to say my LS400 which I bought in Feb of this year has now covered 10k, up to 168K now, without wanting so much as a drop of oil 
Somebody asked what I'd have after it and the only thing I could think of was an LS430 or 460 
Was that the fetching purple Mk.4? Somebody asked what I'd have after it and the only thing I could think of was an LS430 or 460 jenapex said:
Is there an agreed definition of 'barge'? I'm curious....
This is a movable feast, and it has nothing to do with the metal.If you've been here forever and have owned at least a 190e or W124 then you can post whatever you want with impunity.
If you're a gobby BMW driver who tells us we are old, boring and wrong, then your wings are clipped prontopronto and a wave of silent oppobrium will sweep across the thread and go straight down the back of your neck.
Edited to add:
Just checked your garage - you'll be fine in here.
jenapex said:
Is there an agreed definition of 'barge'? I'm curious....
Anything that nobody else in his right mind would even consider definitely qualifies. The thread could almost be styled, "Most contrary motor car 1-5 large".This must be one of PH's most prolific threads. And yet it is often not very PH at all. If PH is Mumsnet for men, then this thread's Mumsnet equivalent is presumably concerned with the merits of dogging.
r129sl said:
jenapex said:
Is there an agreed definition of 'barge'? I'm curious....
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