Best smoker barges 1-5 large [vol11]

[harrykul]

Yes, the w220 has that sandwiched glass thing too, unlike the w140.

Presumably that's whats on this one.

[Challo]

Is the general rule for Saab 9-5's just to get the sump dropped for peace of mind?

Apologies as I know its mentioned lots of time on here but couldn't find a definitive answer. Going to view a few at the weekend and wasn't sure if it impacted all models or just certain engines/models

Cheers

[Stegel]

BigBen said:

tobinen said:

r129sl said:

Double glazing, which I have never seen before on a w211.

I'll be amazed if i has, I've never heard of it on a 211 and the pics look pretty standard. Perhaps he's been carried away by the quarterlights? Nice car though, and a rare specification however you look at it.

Agree it does not look like proper W140 double glazing. Apparently on later cars (not just Mercs) a laminate between two sheets of glass is used so they are technically double glazed in that they have two sheets of glass but not an air gap like on the W140. I suspect when you see an advert claim 'double glazing' this is what they mean unless the advert is for an example of the greatest car ever

I was sceptical yesterday, and commented before looking at the eBay advert - it had photos of the edges of side windows, hence my edit. Those photos have now gone - he clearly reads this thread! - but they weren't standard glass. I wonder if it is the heat reflecting glass - I don't recall laminate being an option either. The text needs editing now!

(Currently at the MOT station with the A124 - borderline on emissions last year, but a rewired throttle body and new lambda sensor and "it's walked the emissions test". Just awaiting the overall verdict!).

[BigBen]

Stegel said:

BigBen said:

tobinen said:

r129sl said:

Double glazing, which I have never seen before on a w211.

I'll be amazed if i has, I've never heard of it on a 211 and the pics look pretty standard. Perhaps he's been carried away by the quarterlights? Nice car though, and a rare specification however you look at it.

Agree it does not look like proper W140 double glazing. Apparently on later cars (not just Mercs) a laminate between two sheets of glass is used so they are technically double glazed in that they have two sheets of glass but not an air gap like on the W140. I suspect when you see an advert claim 'double glazing' this is what they mean unless the advert is for an example of the greatest car ever

I was sceptical yesterday, and commented before looking at the eBay advert - it had photos of the edges of side windows, hence my edit. Those photos have now gone - he clearly reads this thread! - but they weren't standard glass. I wonder if it is the heat reflecting glass - I don't recall laminate being an option either. The text needs editing now!

(Currently at the MOT station with the A124 - borderline on emissions last year, but a rewired throttle body and new lambda sensor and "it's walked the emissions test". Just awaiting the overall verdict!).

The picture was still there as at the time of my earlier post. I am reasonably sure the glass is different to that in my own S211. A bit of reading shows that for the W220 the claim was made that a new added laminate material made the glass just as energy efficient as that used in the W140 with a significant weight gain.

Ben

[SilverSixer]

Challo said:

Is the general rule for Saab 9-5's just to get the sump dropped for peace of mind?

Apologies as I know its mentioned lots of time on here but couldn't find a definitive answer. Going to view a few at the weekend and wasn't sure if it impacted all models or just certain engines/models

Cheers

Yes, for petrol engined ones. The only model for which an argument is put forward for not bothering is the Aero, as this was always specified to have fully synth oil, so a full proper service history with documented fully synth changes at 6000 miles is seen by some as a reason for not doing it. Still, I'd do the drop, particularly for pre-2004 models. That's the model year when a better pick up/strainer was fitted which did not suffer like the old ones. Also, some say that all post-2004 cars are safe, but I'd still do it for peace of mind if purchasing one.

UKSAABS forum is a good resource to search, I got most of my info from there.

Yours, a former 9-5 owner (who now has an S211 E class and wishes he had the SAAB Still).

[maxwellwd]

This looks a lot of bang for your buck, admittedly £1k over budget, but probably able to offer £5k and walk away with it as a bit niche

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-06-JAGUAR-XJ-EXECUT...

[Challo]

SilverSixer said:

Challo said:

Is the general rule for Saab 9-5's just to get the sump dropped for peace of mind?

Apologies as I know its mentioned lots of time on here but couldn't find a definitive answer. Going to view a few at the weekend and wasn't sure if it impacted all models or just certain engines/models

Cheers

Yes, for petrol engined ones. The only model for which an argument is put forward for not bothering is the Aero, as this was always specified to have fully synth oil, so a full proper service history with documented fully synth changes at 6000 miles is seen by some as a reason for not doing it. Still, I'd do the drop, particularly for pre-2004 models. That's the model year when a better pick up/strainer was fitted which did not suffer like the old ones. Also, some say that all post-2004 cars are safe, but I'd still do it for peace of mind if purchasing one.

UKSAABS forum is a good resource to search, I got most of my info from there.

Yours, a former 9-5 owner (who now has an S211 E class and wishes he had the SAAB Still).

Cheers Silversixer

[W00DY]

tobinen said:

r129sl said:

Double glazing, which I have never seen before on a w211.

I'll be amazed if i has, I've never heard of it on a 211 and the pics look pretty standard. Perhaps he's been carried away by the quarterlights? Nice car though, and a rare specification however you look at it.

It would make the double glazing in my E39 look very agricultural in comparison And surely it can't be considered double glazing without an air layer? It didn't seem to have one.

[W00DY]

Riley Blue said:

Phaeton anyone?



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2004-VOLKSWAGEN-PHAETON-...

Shame it's silver, but a W12 Phaeton is very wantable. Great find.

[W00DY]

Phwoar.





http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1990-MERCEDES-300TE-AUTO...

Although I don't trust the mileage.

[Riley Blue]

W00DY said:

Riley Blue said:

Phaeton anyone?



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2004-VOLKSWAGEN-PHAETON-...

Shame it's silver, but a W12 Phaeton is very wantable. Great find.

Only 40 miles from me too...

[Balmoral]

Fun Bus said:

Get off your arse and look

shame he hasn't cleaned it properly

didn't realise just how rare the W12 variant was (seller says 10 brought to the UK?).

I agree on the first two points, and on the third the seller is just wrong/ill-informed, the number of W12's brought into the UK is in the hundreds.

[Parisien]

W00DY said:

Phwoar.





http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1990-MERCEDES-300TE-AUTO...

Although I don't trust the mileage.

Have to agree, pure Mercedes sex on wheels, whats the issue about the mileage?

This bit is not reliable...."HPI AND MILEAGE CHECK DONE."?
P

[r129sl]

Stegel said:

BigBen said:

tobinen said:

r129sl said:

Double glazing, which I have never seen before on a w211.

I'll be amazed if i has, I've never heard of it on a 211 and the pics look pretty standard. Perhaps he's been carried away by the quarterlights? Nice car though, and a rare specification however you look at it.

Agree it does not look like proper W140 double glazing. Apparently on later cars (not just Mercs) a laminate between two sheets of glass is used so they are technically double glazed in that they have two sheets of glass but not an air gap like on the W140. I suspect when you see an advert claim 'double glazing' this is what they mean unless the advert is for an example of the greatest car ever

I was sceptical yesterday, and commented before looking at the eBay advert - it had photos of the edges of side windows, hence my edit. Those photos have now gone - he clearly reads this thread! - but they weren't standard glass. I wonder if it is the heat reflecting glass - I don't recall laminate being an option either. The text needs editing now!

(Currently at the MOT station with the A124 - borderline on emissions last year, but a rewired throttle body and new lambda sensor and "it's walked the emissions test". Just awaiting the overall verdict!).

I saw the pictures and thought it was double glazing.

I noted that he added the reference to double-glazing later. It definitely wasn't there first time I read the ad. I agree he must read this thread.

I have scoured my old brochures and price lists for the w211 and can find no reference to double glazing.

Edit: the double glazing pictures are still there.

Edited by r129sl on Friday 3rd March 10:51

[Bonefish Blues]

Challo said:

SilverSixer said:

Challo said:

Is the general rule for Saab 9-5's just to get the sump dropped for peace of mind?

Apologies as I know its mentioned lots of time on here but couldn't find a definitive answer. Going to view a few at the weekend and wasn't sure if it impacted all models or just certain engines/models

Cheers

Yes, for petrol engined ones. The only model for which an argument is put forward for not bothering is the Aero, as this was always specified to have fully synth oil, so a full proper service history with documented fully synth changes at 6000 miles is seen by some as a reason for not doing it. Still, I'd do the drop, particularly for pre-2004 models. That's the model year when a better pick up/strainer was fitted which did not suffer like the old ones. Also, some say that all post-2004 cars are safe, but I'd still do it for peace of mind if purchasing one.

UKSAABS forum is a good resource to search, I got most of my info from there.

Yours, a former 9-5 owner (who now has an S211 E class and wishes he had the SAAB Still).

Cheers Silversixer

Message, summarised, is do a drop. My 2002 Aero had FSH, yada yada. It nagged me, so I got it dropped. Good call as the strainer was mostly blocked. For the cost vs peace of mind, JFDI

[Stegel]

r129sl said:

Stegel said:

BigBen said:

tobinen said:

r129sl said:

Double glazing, which I have never seen before on a w211.

I'll be amazed if i has, I've never heard of it on a 211 and the pics look pretty standard. Perhaps he's been carried away by the quarterlights? Nice car though, and a rare specification however you look at it.

Agree it does not look like proper W140 double glazing. Apparently on later cars (not just Mercs) a laminate between two sheets of glass is used so they are technically double glazed in that they have two sheets of glass but not an air gap like on the W140. I suspect when you see an advert claim 'double glazing' this is what they mean unless the advert is for an example of the greatest car ever

I was sceptical yesterday, and commented before looking at the eBay advert - it had photos of the edges of side windows, hence my edit. Those photos have now gone - he clearly reads this thread! - but they weren't standard glass. I wonder if it is the heat reflecting glass - I don't recall laminate being an option either. The text needs editing now!

(Currently at the MOT station with the A124 - borderline on emissions last year, but a rewired throttle body and new lambda sensor and "it's walked the emissions test". Just awaiting the overall verdict!).

I saw the pictures and thought it was double glazing.

I noted that he added the reference to double-glazing later. It definitely wasn't there first time I read the ad. I agree he must read this thread.

I have scoured my old brochures and price lists for the w211 and can find no reference to double glazing.

Edit: the double glazing pictures are still there.

Edited by r129sl on Friday 3rd March 10:51

As Woody says, double glazing needs to have an air gap to truly be so called, anything else is laminated with an inter-layer, clever or otherwise. The glazing pictures were certainly not there an hour ago!

[SimonTheSailor]

W00DY said:

Although I don't trust the mileage.

Why do you buy a diesel and then only do that in it ?!

[hornetrider]

I really really like this 230CE. Pics aren't the best, but...





http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1984-MERCEDES-230-CE-AUT...

[Parisien]

SimonTheSailor said:

Why do you buy a diesel and then only do that in it ?!

Says petrol in description!

P

[K12beano]

Stegel said:

As Woody says, double glazing needs to have an air gap to truly be so called, anything else is laminated with an inter-layer, clever or otherwise. The glazing pictures were certainly not there an hour ago!

Agree on the former point, although that doesn't even look like the W220 "double glazing".

On the second, are you looking at the first 12 only? Because in the (as usual) extensive photos under the description they're about ¾ of the way down....