RE: New Toyota Supra spy shots

RE: New Toyota Supra spy shots

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j_s14a

863 posts

177 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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Mr2Mike said:
In terms of what?
Everything. Noise, size, weight, power, efficiency, rev / power band, revs so fast a digital counter was needed. Of course this doesn't come cheap, a replacement engine was over $100k IIRC.

myhandle

1,182 posts

173 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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Evolved said:




Naaaaiiillleed it!
100% , well said. Whatever details it ends up having, the proportions are much inferior to the '84, '89 and '94 generations of Supra, all of which were, and if unmodified, still are, good looking, well proportioned cars.

myhandle

1,182 posts

173 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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Presuming Ed said:
I could do with a car to replace my 981 Cayman and would love this to be it but it looks a little small and from the class below rather than as a direct replacement for the old Supra. What are the engine options?
Keep the Cayman, it is one of the best cars ever made/

myhandle

1,182 posts

173 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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samdale said:
PHMatt said:
samdale said:
PHMatt said:
Z5M
585bhp V8 twin turbo.

Supra - 1.4 petrol mated to hybrid engine.
Not sure I'm following you...

Are you saying a twin turbo V8 would be a commercial success and therefore likely??
Sadly your suggested supra drive train is more likely for both cars.
I'm saying your suggestion of a pathetic BMW and a pumped up Toyota are about as likely as 24 hour sunshine in the north of England.

In case you haven't noticed, BMW, for decades, have consistently offered models with modest all the way through to mental engines. Whereas, since the death of the 90's Toyota triple of MR2, Celica and Supra, they have offered an utter shower of excriment.
The best they'be come up with in the last 20 years is the 200bhp NA GT86

If BMW make a Z5 they can stick a 450bhp M3 engine in it or, better, a 585bhp M5 engine. Because they actually have them readily available.

Toyota have some lawnmower engines and a couple of hairdryers.
Steady on Fanboy and read my post again.

The most likely outcome is a ~2l Z4 replacement that a lot of people will buy. What I want is for Toyota to build a Supra replacement but I have deemed that highly unlikely.

That's all I said. I left plenty of ??? In the middle as I'm sure the line up will consist of more than this. I merely stated the most and least likely models.

Take a step down off your high pferde and have some schnitzel. wink
Problem is, it looks like a big step down from the last 3 generations of Supra. All of those looked like they had the Corvette C4 in their sights. This one looks like the prototype of the GT86, without being watered down to the GT86 production car. Perhaps they need to reintroduce the Celica Supra badge from the early '80s.

Edited by myhandle on Wednesday 30th November 04:25

redroadster

1,729 posts

231 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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I was really thinking it would be a Porsche competitor just with the fantastic styling but it's been well warred down Porsche can relax .

pirategaz

51 posts

173 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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whats the news on pricing?

Henno196

90 posts

91 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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Presuming Ed said:
I could do with a car to replace my 981 Cayman and would love this to be it but it looks a little small and from the class below rather than as a direct replacement for the old Supra. What are the engine options?
Sure i read online somewhere that it'll have BMW sourced 6cyl turbos amongst other options

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

254 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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j_s14a said:
Everything. Noise, size, weight, power, efficiency, rev / power band, revs so fast a digital counter was needed. Of course this doesn't come cheap, a replacement engine was over $100k IIRC.
There are lighter engines, there are more powerful engines, there are more efficient engines, there are engines that make a far nicer noise and engines that rev faster. The lexus simply puts an acceptable set of compromises together for the application, as does every 4 stroke engine on the planet.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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j_s14a said:
Renault, Honda, Subaru, Mitsubishi, Mazda, arguably Nissan, Ferrari, Mercedes,
Examples?

Ideally backed up with tangible cold, hard statics, rather than personal preferences such as NA Vs Turbo, or Manual Vs Dual clutch gearboxes.

Edited by 279 on Wednesday 30th November 17:56

MIDangerfield

46 posts

103 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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It's hard to think of another manufacturer that has ruined the good names of so many of its performance models with subsequent later models that were no better in terms of performance or looks. Surely if you're going to use the name of such models, you're trying to generate interest in it with people who know of or have owned the original who will then surely be disappointed and have no interest in purchasing it anyway.

chrisironside

655 posts

161 months

Saturday 3rd December 2016
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Looks pretty tedious to me...

sidesauce

2,456 posts

217 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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j_s14a said:
I take it you're aware that Toyota recently made one of the best production car engines of all time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAvXKXn1nSU&t=...
No BMW engine comes close to that.
Er, I'll leave this here... whistle



Edited by sidesauce on Sunday 4th December 19:52

KJH

156 posts

203 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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279 said:
It looks pathetic in comparison to its predecessor, but being completely honest, no other manufacturer has so much form in cocking up their previous icons than Toyota:

Snip!

Edited by 279 on Tuesday 29th November 21:55
What should Toyota do? Most of the early performance models from the 90-02 were supported by a large healthy homegrown (JDM) tuning scene with very little emission and safety regulations. Japanese kids nowadays do not buy performance cars anymore. It is all about dress up now(ref. LB Works, RWB, mini vans, stance). The Mid Night club is no longer the heroes racing on the Tokyo C1.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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So Evo magazine are going with this;

http://www.evo.co.uk/toyota/gt-86/6130/toyota-ft-1...

Loyly

17,990 posts

158 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Wow, what a stunner! That looks lovely.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

92 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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It reminds me of a TVR Sagaris from the rear, it looks well smart imo

Kawasicki

13,041 posts

234 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Loyly said:
Wow, what a stunner! That looks lovely.
Looks like about 20 mm of bump travel on the suspension though.

Stig

11,817 posts

283 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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So Evo post pics of the FT-1 - a concept that's been around since 2014, touting it as the new Supra? Is it a slow news week?

Need to wait for more illustrative pics of this one, as I very much doubt it's going to look like the FT-1 in the Evo pics. Still, we can hope....