Aggression on the Roads...
Discussion
Cold said:
It's turned into a tag team. Awesome. The Comanators.
What's a Comanator? Anyway, I can't be bothered with Joe Rogan but this is kind of relevanthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjZ3XgGUeYg
Section 8 said:
This thread has officially turned laughable. I am having visions of 2 men rollling about on the M6 doing jiujitsu and flying kicks with no shoes on over who cut each other up.
Failing that get out the hog fat and lube up and take him down for some MMA ground and pound action.
Failing that get out the hog fat and lube up and take him down for some MMA ground and pound action.
Quality.
deevlash2 said:
Hello, just popping on to say that I know Shane, sort of, via my former hobby of reporting on combat sports for a couple of websites, writing press releases for MMA organisations, interviewing Art Jimmerson, Tom "Kong" Watson, Paul Daley, Rob Sinclair, Bob Sapp, Alex Reid (yep that one), Jack Marshman, Paul "in jail for several years for running a huge drugs ring" Kelly and having done Judo myself for 27 years and represented Scotland briefly in my youth etc etc. (held UFC press credentials)
So anyway, Shanes coming across as a bit OTT here, largely because there seems to be a disconnect for most people between training for say basketball and becoming good at it and fighting and becoming good at it. He's just telling it like it actually is, there's no mythical art to being good at fighting, anyone can learn it, it's not a hard man thing at all, some folk just enjoy it as a hobby, or as a pro like Shane, 4-1 currently I believe, and it DOES translate to the real world should the need arise.
Who was the plonker saying "submission grappling" was "jargon" and that Shane was saying it was akin to a "super power". It's not jargon, google it, just because you're too ignorant to know a sport exists don't let that cloud your judgement and try to come across as clever, you just look silly. Also, it might as well be a super power against an untrained person. Go watch UFC 1, or, do yourselves a favour and pop into an mma gym, or a Judo one, or BJJ, whatever, and ask for a go, it'll be an eye opener.
McDojo Karate places from the 70's teaching useless hokum and pointless dance moves to gullible idiots have a lot to answer for when it comes to peoples perceptions of having a scrap.
I wasn't going to post on this thread again - but will just to say well put. And thanks. So anyway, Shanes coming across as a bit OTT here, largely because there seems to be a disconnect for most people between training for say basketball and becoming good at it and fighting and becoming good at it. He's just telling it like it actually is, there's no mythical art to being good at fighting, anyone can learn it, it's not a hard man thing at all, some folk just enjoy it as a hobby, or as a pro like Shane, 4-1 currently I believe, and it DOES translate to the real world should the need arise.
Who was the plonker saying "submission grappling" was "jargon" and that Shane was saying it was akin to a "super power". It's not jargon, google it, just because you're too ignorant to know a sport exists don't let that cloud your judgement and try to come across as clever, you just look silly. Also, it might as well be a super power against an untrained person. Go watch UFC 1, or, do yourselves a favour and pop into an mma gym, or a Judo one, or BJJ, whatever, and ask for a go, it'll be an eye opener.
McDojo Karate places from the 70's teaching useless hokum and pointless dance moves to gullible idiots have a lot to answer for when it comes to peoples perceptions of having a scrap.
sebulban said:
This was a thread about aggression on the road. I agreed with the OP and commented. I also added that people who have no ability to back things up when it goes violent shouldn't be starting in the first place. Thats it.
This is indeed (or was) a thread about aggression on the road and how to deal with it, the problem here which you haven't addressed is your attitude and approach not your ability. You've admitted to resorting to violence on several occasions on the road, nobody else in this thread has yet here we are, unmurdered and doing fine. I don't question your talents but I do question your judgement, I believe you could have avoided that violence, presumably you chose not to in order to prove a point and because you were confident in your ability just like the other guy(s) irrespective of who was at fault. The implication is that your (most likely justified) faith in your ability to 'win' any confrontation means you don't try as hard as you could to avoid confrontations.Us 'civilians' who aren't confident in our abilities to out-ninja angry nutters manage by A: deliberately avoiding antagonising anyone (regardless of 'fault') and B: remaining in our locked steel boxes if it happens. Basically if the aim of the thread is to provide advice on how to deal with aggression on the road the answer is to work on your defensive driving and chill out not learn MMA.
sebulban said:
All Ill add to this is as a professional mixed martial artist Ive done my civic duty a fair few times :-)
That is an unfortunate quote that does make you sound like batman, your civic duty is to avoid escalating any situation that could be avoided or diffused and call the police (even if you're Mike Tyson with an Uzi in the glove box and the A-Team on the back seat). The only case for violence is as an absolute last resort to protect yourself or others, how is that ever the case on the road when you're in a car?
king Bruce Lee mixed with Chuck Norris.
deevlash2 said:
Hello, just popping on to say that I know Shane, sort of, via my former hobby of reporting on combat sports for a couple of websites, writing press releases for MMA organisations, interviewing Art Jimmerson, Tom "Kong" Watson, Paul Daley, Rob Sinclair, Bob Sapp, Alex Reid (yep that one), Jack Marshman, Paul "in jail for several years for running a huge drugs ring" Kelly and having done Judo myself for 27 years and represented Scotland briefly in my youth etc etc. (held UFC press credentials)
So anyway, Shanes coming across as a bit OTT here, largely because there seems to be a disconnect for most people between training for say basketball and becoming good at it and fighting and becoming good at it. He's just telling it like it actually is, there's no mythical art to being good at fighting, anyone can learn it, it's not a hard man thing at all, some folk just enjoy it as a hobby, or as a pro like Shane, 4-1 currently I believe, and it DOES translate to the real world should the need arise.
Who was the plonker saying "submission grappling" was "jargon" and that Shane was saying it was akin to a "super power". It's not jargon, google it, just because you're too ignorant to know a sport exists don't let that cloud your judgement and try to come across as clever, you just look silly. Also, it might as well be a super power against an untrained person. Go watch UFC 1, or, do yourselves a favour and pop into an mma gym, or a Judo one, or BJJ, whatever, and ask for a go, it'll be an eye opener.
McDojo Karate places from the 70's teaching useless hokum and pointless dance moves to gullible idiots have a lot to answer for when it comes to peoples perceptions of having a scrap.
Honestly you guys do yourselves no favours.So anyway, Shanes coming across as a bit OTT here, largely because there seems to be a disconnect for most people between training for say basketball and becoming good at it and fighting and becoming good at it. He's just telling it like it actually is, there's no mythical art to being good at fighting, anyone can learn it, it's not a hard man thing at all, some folk just enjoy it as a hobby, or as a pro like Shane, 4-1 currently I believe, and it DOES translate to the real world should the need arise.
Who was the plonker saying "submission grappling" was "jargon" and that Shane was saying it was akin to a "super power". It's not jargon, google it, just because you're too ignorant to know a sport exists don't let that cloud your judgement and try to come across as clever, you just look silly. Also, it might as well be a super power against an untrained person. Go watch UFC 1, or, do yourselves a favour and pop into an mma gym, or a Judo one, or BJJ, whatever, and ask for a go, it'll be an eye opener.
McDojo Karate places from the 70's teaching useless hokum and pointless dance moves to gullible idiots have a lot to answer for when it comes to peoples perceptions of having a scrap.
"Also, it might as well be a super power against an untrained person."
How many untrained people have you seen being attacked by a trained person?
You try to give the impression of being part of a shady world where you have experience of being attacked and sorting everything out Seagal style just like the previous poster.
Watching two people in a ring where there are rules or behaviour and skills to learn and perfect is not the same as fighting in the street of nightclub.
Please stop encouraging people to think that if you get trained up you have a superpower which will stop you getting hurt in one of those fights.
In a pub/nightclub/street fight only three things matter. The person who hits first is almost certainly going to be the winner. The first person on the floor is very likely to be in trouble. Bottles beat fists, knives beat bottles, and guns beat knives. And lastly the ability to let go of any care or shred of decency (Vikings called it beserking) is valuable.
Superpowers are only TV based fantasy.
julian64 said:
How many untrained people have you seen being attacked by a trained person?
Only one I can recall and it was a video of Lee Murray chasing someone up a street and giving them a doing. I've seen a lot of trained people being attacked by untrained people though, there are lots of videos on the net. Not as many as there are of 2 untrained doofuses windmilling at each other and falling over a lot though.julian64 said:
You try to give the impression of being part of a shady world where you have experience of being attacked and sorting everything out Seagal style just like the previous poster.
I work in Glasgow. In retail. It's part of the job getting in rucks every so often. Seagals a fanny.julian64 said:
Watching two people in a ring where there are rules or behaviour and skills to learn and perfect is not the same as fighting in the street of nightclub.
It's not the same, you're correct. There are plenty of transferable techniques though. julian64 said:
Please stop encouraging people to think that if you get trained up you have a superpower which will stop you getting hurt in one of those fights.
I'm not encouraging anyone, I believe it was you or someone else that condescendingly used the "super power" patter, I was just using it as a dramatic overstatement. I'm also not stating you wouldn't get hurt, just that the likelihood of being hurt less than the other person approaches ever nearer 1 the more skilled you are.julian64 said:
In a pub/nightclub/street fight only three things matter. The person who hits first is almost certainly going to be the winner.
It's likely yes. Which is why you don't start fights in pubs but if in a situation where it can't be avoided then training will help and mitigate the chances of losing said fight.
julian64 said:
The first person on the floor is very likely to be in trouble.
Yes. That's why I take the fight there, it'll be all over in a few seconds if they dont know what to do on the deck. If it's 2 on 1 you're getting a beating regardless though.
julian64 said:
Bottles beat fists, knives beat bottles, and guns beat knives. And lastly the ability to let go of any care or shred of decency (Vikings called it beserking) is valuable.
Agreed on that part. Although I have had a bloke pinned down going absolutely apoplectic with rage before and he was still screaming his head off and going purple when the police arrived and took him away. (I'm also half Orcadian so don't need lessons about vikings from people called Julian from Kent ta muchly though)
julian64 said:
Superpowers are only TV based fantasy.
Obviously fireballs and Ironman suits are but being significantly more skillful at fighting than the next person is achievable in exactly the same way you can't run 100m as fast as Usain Bolt. I'm also not comparing myself to Sebulban either. He's an actual pro athlete at fighty stuff and your absolute condescension of him just betrays your abject lack of understanding of what good training can achieve.But I'm not expecting you to change your world view on this, I get the impression you're likely too old to do any training yourself and discover things for yourself so we'll have to agree to disagree and move on because arguing on the internet is absolutely pointless and I've better things to be doing, I just popped back on here to post some facts about Seb that he was too gracious to post about himself.
Edited by deevlash2 on Friday 9th December 17:14
I'm wondering if a lot of this "aggression" has anything to do with the big decrease in Police patrol cars you now see, (or dont) Whereas before this, every journey you took you would come across them, basically keeping people on their toes with the thought in their minds I'm gonna get done if I don't behave accordingly ?
On the other hand, I think these "people" are just totally pi55ed off with their boring humdrum lives and take their frustration out on other road users. ?
On the other hand, I think these "people" are just totally pi55ed off with their boring humdrum lives and take their frustration out on other road users. ?
deevlash said:
But I'm not expecting you to change your world view on this, I get the impression you're likely too old to do any training yourself and discover things for yourself so we'll have to agree to disagree and move on because arguing on the internet is absolutely pointless and I've better things to be doing, I just popped back on here to post some facts about Seb that he was too gracious to post
How old do you have to be to not be able to learn stab someone? Maybe we're all missing a trick. Maybe a lot if us should have continued training and injuring ourselves just so we could protect ourselves, personally I call it growing up
There's no doubt it's all very impressive but my car is made of metal and weighs more than the average ninja. I'm sure it could have the wing mirrors put in some kind of restraint lock but the counter move of driving away at speed would probably save the day Someone cut me up today at a roundabout.BIG MISTAKE!! After taking 20 minutes to change into my ninja outfit in the back of my car i emerged, nunchucks in hand to give the offender a damn good thrashing. The other driver who was in a Kia Carens got out . He looked a bit like Stephen Segal. He came at me with a judo chop and i adapted the crane stance technique. With deadly accuracy i flirted off my shoe in his direction hitting him straight in the face and instantly put him into a coma. Before he passed away he uttered the words " you are the true jiu jitsu master". I then bowed and got back in my Saxo and drive off into the sunset.
A true story!
A true story!
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