RE: Subaru BRZ MY17 facelift details
Discussion
kambites said:
big_rob_sydney said:
I would really love to see one of these with 350 bhp or so. Imagine the power-to-weight and how much fun it would be compared to other choices.
If you really want one, there are people who will make it for you. The updated version looks good, I have no issue with the original, only that not enough people are buying them and they seem to holding their value:-(
aka_kerrly said:
Exactly, if Toyota/Subaru made a 350hp factory version at say a cost of £40k you'd only get a load of people saying it's too expensive for a toyota/subaru and you can buy a Porsche for that.... then most likely not buy either an get a Golf R on lease
The updated version looks good, I have no issue with the original, only that not enough people are buying them and they seem to holding their value:-(
Who'd want a £40,000 Subaru BRZ with 350hp when for 5k cheaper, you can get a brand new Mustang with more horsepower and a V8, or a brand new Mustang with 315hp for 10k less.The updated version looks good, I have no issue with the original, only that not enough people are buying them and they seem to holding their value:-(
You'd need a 350hp version at 30k to be worthwhile.
Regiment said:
Who'd want a £40,000 Subaru BRZ with 350hp when for 5k cheaper, you can get a brand new Mustang with more horsepower and a V8, or a brand new Mustang with 315hp for 10k less.
Yep, you get a lot more car there. 450-500kg more of it in fact. So you would, hypothetically, need 500hp in that 'stang to improve on the hp/weight, still leaving you with a heavier car.
Edited by Onehp on Monday 5th December 21:58
Yipper said:
Lovely looking car, especially from the rear. But a bit on the slow side (even for the price). All show and not enough go.
Been done to death, something about driver enjoyment in a reasonable light car, vs hunting performance numbers which you can't use most of the time anyway... Apparently the stock car will now sound decent at least, that was what disturbed me more, the looks but no sound...
Ahbefive said:
These cars should have 250-300bhp. They would be proper fun then.
The Litchfield Spec S engine upgrade gives you nice, linear, supercharged power delivery to the tune of 280bhp for £4.5k (although I think that's not fitted).I think the trick to the BRZ/GT86 and the MX-5 is to look at them as blank canvasses or solid bases on which to build. I love that way of thinking because I'm a big fan of modifying cars but I can see why some would prefer it to come with a higher output from the factory.
Regiment said:
aka_kerrly said:
Exactly, if Toyota/Subaru made a 350hp factory version at say a cost of £40k you'd only get a load of people saying it's too expensive for a toyota/subaru and you can buy a Porsche for that.... then most likely not buy either an get a Golf R on lease
The updated version looks good, I have no issue with the original, only that not enough people are buying them and they seem to holding their value:-(
Who'd want a £40,000 Subaru BRZ with 350hp when for 5k cheaper, you can get a brand new Mustang with more horsepower and a V8, or a brand new Mustang with 315hp for 10k less.The updated version looks good, I have no issue with the original, only that not enough people are buying them and they seem to holding their value:-(
You'd need a 350hp version at 30k to be worthwhile.
That's precisely my point. A GT86/BRz should be appreciated for what it is and if you are inclined to modify it there are companies who can easily make 350hp a reality, for most though as you say a V8 Mustang represents far better value for money.
kambites said:
big_rob_sydney said:
I would really love to see one of these with 350 bhp or so. Imagine the power-to-weight and how much fun it would be compared to other choices.
If you really want one, there are people who will make it for you. Its just that the not-an-impreza line can come with good power numbers. We've seen 330s versions, and there was a 400 bhp Cosworth version, although with admittedly poor lag, from the factory. I know there's an element of buyers for whom a factory performance package would be looked at quite favourably.
So if they can do it for the not-an-impreza, then there's no reason why they cant do it for this model. The price people are quoting wouldn't work, I don't think. But maybe 350 bhp for ~ £30k would be a good ballpark.
Hellbound said:
Garybee said:
Interesting that they have felt the need to strengthen the block. Are these known for issues in that area?
Perhaps it's an early Easter egg for those who go down the FI route when modifying their cars. "Here's a stronger engine chaps..."It doesn't need 300bhp, at least not in this form. Sure release a turbocharged STi version for the power junkies but the standard car just needs a little lift.
230bhp, a nicer sound and a bit more urge in the upper rev range would transform this car. In fact I'm really surprised Subaru and Toyota don't offer factory backed tuning packages like the one you can get from Cosworth for those that want it. If this is a car ripe for modifying then I'm not sure why they don't cash in on some of that demand.
230bhp, a nicer sound and a bit more urge in the upper rev range would transform this car. In fact I'm really surprised Subaru and Toyota don't offer factory backed tuning packages like the one you can get from Cosworth for those that want it. If this is a car ripe for modifying then I'm not sure why they don't cash in on some of that demand.
aka_kerrly said:
kambites said:
big_rob_sydney said:
I would really love to see one of these with 350 bhp or so. Imagine the power-to-weight and how much fun it would be compared to other choices.
If you really want one, there are people who will make it for you. The updated version looks good, I have no issue with the original, only that not enough people are buying them and they seem to holding their value:-(
Here is your BRZ, with 360 hp, V8 NA, 11000 rpm red line and manual gearbox!!!!
Although I suspect build cost would be somewhat north of a new 911 GT3 cost.
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