RE: Subaru BRZ MY17 facelift details

RE: Subaru BRZ MY17 facelift details

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Escort3500

11,830 posts

144 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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5harp3y said:
New wheels are great!
Knew I'd seen them somewhere before biggrin


aka_kerrly

12,416 posts

209 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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kambites said:
big_rob_sydney said:
I would really love to see one of these with 350 bhp or so. Imagine the power-to-weight and how much fun it would be compared to other choices.
If you really want one, there are people who will make it for you.
Exactly, if Toyota/Subaru made a 350hp factory version at say a cost of £40k you'd only get a load of people saying it's too expensive for a toyota/subaru and you can buy a Porsche for that.... then most likely not buy either an get a Golf R on leasetongue out

The updated version looks good, I have no issue with the original, only that not enough people are buying them and they seem to holding their value:-(

Yipper

5,964 posts

89 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Lovely looking car, especially from the rear. But a bit on the slow side (even for the price). All show and not enough go.

Regiment

2,799 posts

158 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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aka_kerrly said:
Exactly, if Toyota/Subaru made a 350hp factory version at say a cost of £40k you'd only get a load of people saying it's too expensive for a toyota/subaru and you can buy a Porsche for that.... then most likely not buy either an get a Golf R on leasetongue out

The updated version looks good, I have no issue with the original, only that not enough people are buying them and they seem to holding their value:-(
Who'd want a £40,000 Subaru BRZ with 350hp when for 5k cheaper, you can get a brand new Mustang with more horsepower and a V8, or a brand new Mustang with 315hp for 10k less.

You'd need a 350hp version at 30k to be worthwhile.

GC8

19,910 posts

189 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Fewer sales due to a sales cap, not a lack of interest. Rather weak journalism there...

Onehp

1,617 posts

282 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Regiment said:
Who'd want a £40,000 Subaru BRZ with 350hp when for 5k cheaper, you can get a brand new Mustang with more horsepower and a V8, or a brand new Mustang with 315hp for 10k less.
Yep, you get a lot more car there.
450-500kg more of it in fact. So you would, hypothetically, need 500hp in that 'stang to improve on the hp/weight, still leaving you with a heavier car.

Edited by Onehp on Monday 5th December 21:58

kambites

67,462 posts

220 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Regiment said:
Who'd want a £40,000 Subaru BRZ with 350hp when for 5k cheaper, you can get a brand new Mustang with more horsepower and a V8.
Someone who's rather have a car almost half a tonne lighter?

Onehp

1,617 posts

282 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Yipper said:
Lovely looking car, especially from the rear. But a bit on the slow side (even for the price). All show and not enough go.
Been done to death, something about driver enjoyment in a reasonable light car, vs hunting performance numbers which you can't use most of the time anyway...

Apparently the stock car will now sound decent at least, that was what disturbed me more, the looks but no sound...

bassett

242 posts

187 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Might be wrong but I thought I had read the GT86 engine improvements weren't making it to the UK so wonder if we will really get the stronger block in the UK.

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

171 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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These cars should have 250-300bhp. They would be proper fun then.

leglessAlex

5,384 posts

140 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Ahbefive said:
These cars should have 250-300bhp. They would be proper fun then.
The Litchfield Spec S engine upgrade gives you nice, linear, supercharged power delivery to the tune of 280bhp for £4.5k (although I think that's not fitted).

I think the trick to the BRZ/GT86 and the MX-5 is to look at them as blank canvasses or solid bases on which to build. I love that way of thinking because I'm a big fan of modifying cars but I can see why some would prefer it to come with a higher output from the factory.

aka_kerrly

12,416 posts

209 months

Monday 5th December 2016
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Regiment said:
aka_kerrly said:
Exactly, if Toyota/Subaru made a 350hp factory version at say a cost of £40k you'd only get a load of people saying it's too expensive for a toyota/subaru and you can buy a Porsche for that.... then most likely not buy either an get a Golf R on leasetongue out

The updated version looks good, I have no issue with the original, only that not enough people are buying them and they seem to holding their value:-(
Who'd want a £40,000 Subaru BRZ with 350hp when for 5k cheaper, you can get a brand new Mustang with more horsepower and a V8, or a brand new Mustang with 315hp for 10k less.

You'd need a 350hp version at 30k to be worthwhile.
beer

That's precisely my point. A GT86/BRz should be appreciated for what it is and if you are inclined to modify it there are companies who can easily make 350hp a reality, for most though as you say a V8 Mustang represents far better value for money.

big_rob_sydney

3,394 posts

193 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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kambites said:
big_rob_sydney said:
I would really love to see one of these with 350 bhp or so. Imagine the power-to-weight and how much fun it would be compared to other choices.
If you really want one, there are people who will make it for you.
I've been a long time fan of Subaru and owned many of them. You can go as fast as you can afford, which is fine.

Its just that the not-an-impreza line can come with good power numbers. We've seen 330s versions, and there was a 400 bhp Cosworth version, although with admittedly poor lag, from the factory. I know there's an element of buyers for whom a factory performance package would be looked at quite favourably.

So if they can do it for the not-an-impreza, then there's no reason why they cant do it for this model. The price people are quoting wouldn't work, I don't think. But maybe 350 bhp for ~ £30k would be a good ballpark.

Onehp

1,617 posts

282 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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For ~30k, you could buy a high mileage one for approx 11k and spend ~15k for a LS conversion and supporting modifications. V8, all the hp you'd want and you can put 4k in your pocket for the effort wink

Lowtimer

4,286 posts

167 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Hellbound said:
Garybee said:
Interesting that they have felt the need to strengthen the block. Are these known for issues in that area?
Perhaps it's an early Easter egg for those who go down the FI route when modifying their cars. "Here's a stronger engine chaps..."
More likely that they intend to offer a forced induction version of this engine in this or some other car soon, and have standardised on the one block to get economies of scale.

Alex

9,975 posts

283 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Ahbefive said:
These cars should have 250-300bhp. They would be proper fun then.
They're proper fun now.

Guvernator

13,109 posts

164 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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It doesn't need 300bhp, at least not in this form. Sure release a turbocharged STi version for the power junkies but the standard car just needs a little lift.

230bhp, a nicer sound and a bit more urge in the upper rev range would transform this car. In fact I'm really surprised Subaru and Toyota don't offer factory backed tuning packages like the one you can get from Cosworth for those that want it. If this is a car ripe for modifying then I'm not sure why they don't cash in on some of that demand.

liner33

10,642 posts

201 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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I love the looks of the '86 and this looks to be an improvement on that with some added functionality inside

They certainly have their place

underphil

1,245 posts

209 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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The car was designed around 200bhp, it's got a 55:45 weight distribution - not exactly ideal for putting down big power

British Beef

2,192 posts

164 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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aka_kerrly said:
kambites said:
big_rob_sydney said:
I would really love to see one of these with 350 bhp or so. Imagine the power-to-weight and how much fun it would be compared to other choices.
If you really want one, there are people who will make it for you.
Exactly, if Toyota/Subaru made a 350hp factory version at say a cost of £40k you'd only get a load of people saying it's too expensive for a toyota/subaru and you can buy a Porsche for that.... then most likely not buy either an get a Golf R on leasetongue out

The updated version looks good, I have no issue with the original, only that not enough people are buying them and they seem to holding their value:-(
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/02/11/subaru-brz-362hp-24liter-v8-japan-video/

Here is your BRZ, with 360 hp, V8 NA, 11000 rpm red line and manual gearbox!!!!

Although I suspect build cost would be somewhat north of a new 911 GT3 cost.