RE: Subaru BRZ MY17 facelift details
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BRZ and GT86 are built in the same factory. By the same people. Presumably using largely the same bits.
Alex said:
Quite the opposite!
The fact is 1) Lots of owners are happy with the performance of the stock 86/BRZ
2) More owners are unhappy with the performance of the stock 86/BRZ as demonstrated by the tuning and modifying scene and the fact you rarely see a stock one
3) Even more potential owners really like the looks of the 86/BRZ but would prefer a little more power and/or not to have to rev the nuts out of it all the time to make decent progress
None of these groups of people will sway the opinions of any of the other groups no matter how often they post or how often the discussion comes up
Alex said:
I have a standard BRZ, and it is a lot more fun than my Golf R or my old Impreza P1 or TVR Griff 500. How can that be?
fair enough, everyone is differentI drove one around Donnington and it felt tediously slow
also a friend bought one and sold it after a few weeks because it felt under powered to him
that's my only basis (that and I believe a new performance car should be able to out accelerate a 520d)
WCZ said:
that's my only basis (that and I believe a new performance car should be able to out accelerate a 520d)
It's not a performance car; it's a sports car. There is cross-over but they aren't the same thing and a car can be either without being the other. I can imagine it feeling a bit lacking on a big open track like Donnington, though. I suspect no more than 1% of them will ever see a track in the hands of their original owner.
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 6th December 13:44
Guvernator said:
It doesn't need 300bhp, at least not in this form. Sure release a turbocharged STi version for the power junkies but the standard car just needs a little lift.
230bhp, a nicer sound and a bit more urge in the upper rev range would transform this car.
Fully agree and exactly what I've done. Taken along plenty passengers that thought it would be some kind of mellow soft sports car, and they got out impressed and apologetic for how wrong their (internet fuelled) prejudices were. 230bhp, a nicer sound and a bit more urge in the upper rev range would transform this car.
This was always on drives along twisty back roads, pretending to be a supercar on the autobahn however would indeed not impress much, which was never the point of this car either...
ash73 said:
Blimey, would be interested to hear more about how the BRZ and P1 compare; always fancied a P1.
The P1 is binary, the BRZ is analogue. The P1 is black and white, the BRZ is shades of grey. The P1 is boosty, the BRZ is linear. The most fun in driving comes from when the car is near the limit of adhesion and to do this in the P1 required interstellar speeds, which isn't as much fun as it sounds. It was a boring track car too.
Edited by Alex on Tuesday 6th December 14:55
Is it fair to say that this, along with the GT86 have been a sales failure? I certainly don't see many about. On paper its exactly what us enthusiasts asked for so why aren't we buying it? Yet the MX5 marches on, or do they just seem more plentiful because they've been around a lot longer.
I know it was never going to be a high volume car and maybe badge snobbery and a 'lack' of power (even though that was partially the point) have meant people went elsewhere. But are those the real reasons?
I know it was never going to be a high volume car and maybe badge snobbery and a 'lack' of power (even though that was partially the point) have meant people went elsewhere. But are those the real reasons?
British Beef said:
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/02/11/subaru-brz-362h...
Here is your BRZ, with 360 hp, V8 NA, 11000 rpm red line and manual gearbox!!!!
Although I suspect build cost would be somewhat north of a new 911 GT3 cost.
I dont mind bike engined cars, though the torque is a bit low.Here is your BRZ, with 360 hp, V8 NA, 11000 rpm red line and manual gearbox!!!!
Although I suspect build cost would be somewhat north of a new 911 GT3 cost.
Radical here in the UK do a v8 version of bike engines too, so a solution close to home with manufacturer support could be an option.
In saying all that, if one were to go the bike engine route, a turbo Busa engine is a common solution in the US, with strong aftermarket support. They've started supporting them here too, so again, its possible to get that installed. IIRC, something like 4-500bhp from these engines isn't impossible either.
Now imagine THAT in a BRZ.
kambites said:
In the UK, yes. I think I read somewhere that we're the only market it's failed to hits its sales targets in.
I believe from the other threads where this issue is raised, its down to the monthly PCP payments. For the same monthly cost as a GT86, you could get a Golf R or something like that.Edit: As an example I found online.
Golf R:
Monthly Payments - 48 x £271.82
Customer Deposit - £6,800.00
From: https://www.inchcape-volkswagen.co.uk/offers/new-c...
Subaru BRZ:
48 monthly payments of £299.00
Customer Deposit £5,836.50
From: http://subaru.co.uk/offers/brz/low-monthly-payment...
Edited by KTF on Tuesday 6th December 15:51
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