RE: Subaru BRZ MY17 facelift details

RE: Subaru BRZ MY17 facelift details

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Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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daveco said:
untakenname said:
Four years on and still no substantial power update frown
The gearstick in the interior shots looks a bit wrong.
Much like the MX5, it's one of those cars with exploitable power at a reasonable price. I'm sure if they upped the power and kept it NA, the price would jump by a considerable margin as well.

If it had 250hp and wider rubber, would it be as enjoyable a car to find the limits of? scratchchin
i would rather it had a blown 1ltr 3 pot that red lined at 9k with short ratios so you could really spank it without doing supersonic speeds


Emanresu

311 posts

88 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Why do you say MY17? It sounds so gay. Just tell it like it is, 2017. Instead of trying to be sc3n3 y0.

Alex

9,975 posts

283 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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KTF said:
I believe from the other threads where this issue is raised, its down to the monthly PCP payments. For the same monthly cost as a GT86, you could get a Golf R or something like that.

Edit: As an example I found online.

Golf R:
Monthly Payments - 48 x £271.82
Customer Deposit - £6,800.00

From: https://www.inchcape-volkswagen.co.uk/offers/new-c...

Subaru BRZ:
48 monthly payments of £299.00
Customer Deposit £5,836.50

From: http://subaru.co.uk/offers/brz/low-monthly-payment...

Edited by KTF on Tuesday 6th December 15:51
As the owner of a BRZ and a Golf R, I can say if you really enjoy *driving*, get the BRZ.

Ved

3,825 posts

174 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Emanresu said:
Why do you say MY17? It sounds so gay. Just tell it like it is, 2017. Instead of trying to be sc3n3 y0.
It stands for Manufacturer Year, you moron. It's been also been used to describe Subaru production years since before you were born - likely 2001.

davyvee

295 posts

134 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Alex said:
I have a standard BRZ, and it is a lot more fun than my Golf R or my old Impreza P1 or TVR Griff 500. How can that be?
A had a GT86 and now have a golf R and I feel the same..

Golf is good at going fast. Wouldn't call it fun.





Edited by davyvee on Tuesday 6th December 16:54

V10Ace

301 posts

92 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Alex said:
Ahbefive said:
These cars should have 250-300bhp. They would be proper fun then.
They're proper fun now.
Maybe for you, but I and many disagree. It's not just because of the 200 bhp (which it doesn't even have) but more to do with the power delivery, nasty sound and slow to rev.

If it had a Honda R V-tech with around 200bhp it would be way more fun.

Basically the heart and soul of this car is dead, just a limp carcass to fling around.

Sooo.... Only fun in a hire car sense that you give this death everywhere, giggle that your taking the piss, give it back and and no more.

Modified versions.... Now there's a tasty prospect.
shoot

NickCQ

5,392 posts

95 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Emanresu said:
Why do you say MY17? It sounds so gay. Just tell it like it is, 2017. Instead of trying to be sc3n3 y0.
Do people really still use the word 'gay' to describe things they don't like? And I thought we'd made so much progress...

Alex

9,975 posts

283 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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V10Ace said:
Maybe for you, but I and many disagree. It's not just because of the 200 bhp (which it doesn't even have) but more to do with the power delivery, nasty sound and slow to rev.

If it had a Honda R V-tech with around 200bhp it would be way more fun.
That's a fair point. The Subaru engine is not as bad as some people make out, but it is rather coarse and has a dip in the torque curve (which can be eliminated through mods).

I used to have an Integra DC2, and there is no doubting the fact the engine was more characterful than the BRZ's. However, the flat four does give the BRZ a low centre of gravity which you can actually feel the benefit from when you push it through some corners.

Alex

9,975 posts

283 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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davyvee said:
A had a GT86 and now have a golf R and I feel the same..

Golf is good at going fast. Wouldn't call it fun.
It's a superb daily driver, but I'm not sure I'd take it out at 5am on a Sunday morning just for a blat.

Flibble

6,470 posts

180 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Hellbound said:
Garybee said:
Interesting that they have felt the need to strengthen the block. Are these known for issues in that area?
Perhaps it's an early Easter egg for those who go down the FI route when modifying their cars. "Here's a stronger engine chaps..."
They're not known for weak blocks in particular, it's the rods that go first on the stock engine. 300 bhp if you're lucky before throwing a rod, 280 to be safe.


Guvernator said:
It doesn't need 300bhp, at least not in this form. Sure release a turbocharged STi version for the power junkies but the standard car just needs a little lift.

230bhp, a nicer sound and a bit more urge in the upper rev range would transform this car. In fact I'm really surprised Subaru and Toyota don't offer factory backed tuning packages like the one you can get from Cosworth for those that want it. If this is a car ripe for modifying then I'm not sure why they don't cash in on some of that demand.
Mine runs 216 bhp with a flatter torque curve and is just about right I think. You have enough power to light the tyres up if you want to, but without it being a chore to drive because you're just wheel spinning the whole time.

kambites said:
WCZ said:
that's my only basis (that and I believe a new performance car should be able to out accelerate a 520d)
It's not a performance car; it's a sports car. There is cross-over but they aren't the same thing and a car can be either without being the other.

I can imagine it feeling a bit lacking on a big open track like Donnington, though. I suspect no more than 1% of them will ever see a track in the hands of their original owner.
I rather enjoyed Donington in mine, but I don't have much to compare it to as I've never driven anything else there.
Also real world a BRZ can out accelerate a 520d; the 0-62 times look worse than they are because you have to upshift at 60 mph. Actual 0-60 is more like 6.5s; quarter miles are just under 15s in the manual.
Times from here: https://www.0-60specs.com/subaru-brz-0-60-times/

Guvernator

13,105 posts

164 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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V10Ace said:
Maybe for you, but I and many disagree. It's not just because of the 200 bhp (which it doesn't even have) but more to do with the power delivery, nasty sound and slow to rev.

If it had a Honda R V-tech with around 200bhp it would be way more fun.

Basically the heart and soul of this car is dead, just a limp carcass to fling around.

Sooo.... Only fun in a hire car sense that you give this death everywhere, giggle that your taking the piss, give it back and and no more.

Modified versions.... Now there's a tasty prospect.
shoot
Absolutely spot on. Unfortunately emissions regs have pretty much killed off fun revvy N\A engines so we end up with this tepid power delivery rather than the fireworks you expect from a car which looks like this. It even has a flat spot right between 3-4krpm which funnily enough coincides with the rev range where a lot of the emissions testing is carried out.

davyvee

295 posts

134 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Alex said:
It's a superb daily driver, but I'm not sure I'd take it out at 5am on a Sunday morning just for a blat.
Agreed. Probably the best all round car i've owned.

Just a bit bland on the involvement front.

thatsprettyshady

1,820 posts

164 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Ved said:
Emanresu said:
Why do you say MY17? It sounds so gay. Just tell it like it is, 2017. Instead of trying to be sc3n3 y0.
It stands for Manufacturer Year, you moron. It's been also been used to describe Subaru production years since before you were born - likely 2001.
O/T But I always assumed it stood for "Model Year"

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

171 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Alex said:
Ahbefive said:
These cars should have 250-300bhp. They would be proper fun then.
They're proper fun now.
Not in my book they aren't. Contrary to you I have far more fun in my impreza. You may be satisfied with yours which is great but these are pretty much ruined by that flat 200bhp engine imo.

Edited by Ahbefive on Tuesday 6th December 22:03

Glasgowrob

3,232 posts

120 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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i don't understand why they can't just stick a turbo on it give it 300 horses and watch them sell like hotcakes

epom

11,400 posts

160 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Another spoilers living up to it's name. Awful. The rest of it, yep lovely.

KTF

9,788 posts

149 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Glasgowrob said:
i don't understand why they can't just stick a turbo on it give it 300 horses and watch them sell like hotcakes
I would imagine that the Toyota and Subaru marketing team have investigated this, crunched the numbers and come to the conclusion that it doesn't add up.

The exchange rate probably plays a part as well.

Onehp

1,617 posts

282 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Glasgowrob said:
i don't understand why they can't just stick a turbo on it give it 300 horses and watch them sell like hotcakes
It's a 1200kg-ish small car. 300hp doesn't make sense when a MX-5 is sold successfully with 130-160hp (good point made on that previously). You'll have to do a lot more than just 'stick a turbo on it'.
I prefer it NA. But out of the box, I agree they aren't the most fun 200hp. More like 190hp, harsh pretty soulless engine note, and anemic just where it's supposed to be the strongest. But as mentioned, quite easily fixed and then they're great.
The MY17 supposedly has a nicer engine note out of the box.

Ved

3,825 posts

174 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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thatsprettyshady said:
Ved said:
Emanresu said:
Why do you say MY17? It sounds so gay. Just tell it like it is, 2017. Instead of trying to be sc3n3 y0.
It stands for Manufacturer Year, you moron. It's been also been used to describe Subaru production years since before you were born - likely 2001.
O/T But I always assumed it stood for "Model Year"
You are quite correct. I'll sell both my Subarus tomorrow and hand back my baseball cap smile

Alex

9,975 posts

283 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Glasgowrob said:
i don't understand why they can't just stick a turbo on it give it 300 horses and watch them sell like hotcakes
A turbo would ruin it.