Local garage bins Super Unleaded.
Discussion
poing said:
I remember many moons ago in one of the car magazines, might have been Evo or Performance Car, they did a fuel test and the 1 golden rule seemed to be fresh fuel was best regardless of octane rating. The conclusion was simply to use a busy petrol station.
They tested a few performance cars but I think it was the BMW M5 that kept the same bhp no matter the fuel due to a clever ECU.
I have noticed the quality of Vpower at my local Shell seems a bit "off" and its the sort of small rural station which probably hardly ever sells it - reflected in the fact they charge a fortune for it. I always drive considerably further to a much busier station, the car feels better for it and the cost saving more than covers the fact I have to go further out of my way.They tested a few performance cars but I think it was the BMW M5 that kept the same bhp no matter the fuel due to a clever ECU.
I have also used various 97RON products in my M5 and can't say I notice any difference compared to Shell / Tesco. I did however fill up with a 102RON product in Germany and it was noticably better!
MarshPhantom said:
Well they had super prior to the changeover, so presumably the tank must still be there. Which is why I find it a bit strange. I'm sure most garages around this way have super too, the problem being they aren't that local.
It probably is still there. It's just now got normal 95 or diesel in it, to increase their storage capacity of a fuel that IS selling...ambuletz said:
they probably got rid of it because of the person who owned a £1000 car that does 40mpg wanted to 'save' money on fuel so they decided to spend £10,000 for a brand new car that does a claimed 60mpg but in actual fact is more like 45mpg with their driving style and the regular unleaded is 1p cheaper.....while still being 5p more expensive then the Shell that's probably half a mile up the road but still on their route to/from work.
Pretty accurate that, I know quite a few that would fit that statement!I'd be annoyed if the two Texaco garages near me stopped selling Super Unleaded.
I believe they are (or at least were) one of the few petrol companies that use little to no ethanol in their premium fuel, compared to the 5% (soon to be 10%) used by the rest. Not a big deal to 99% of people, but quite important if you have a classic car or a motorcycle with a plastic fuel tank, like me
I believe they are (or at least were) one of the few petrol companies that use little to no ethanol in their premium fuel, compared to the 5% (soon to be 10%) used by the rest. Not a big deal to 99% of people, but quite important if you have a classic car or a motorcycle with a plastic fuel tank, like me
The Beaver King said:
I'd be annoyed if the two Texaco garages near me stopped selling Super Unleaded.
I believe they are (or at least were) one of the few petrol companies that use little to no ethanol in their premium fuel, compared to the 5% (soon to be 10%) used by the rest. Not a big deal to 99% of people, but quite important if you have a classic car or a motorcycle with a plastic fuel tank, like me
everyone uses ethanol, I think. see below from Texaco site Q+A's -I believe they are (or at least were) one of the few petrol companies that use little to no ethanol in their premium fuel, compared to the 5% (soon to be 10%) used by the rest. Not a big deal to 99% of people, but quite important if you have a classic car or a motorcycle with a plastic fuel tank, like me
Q. Do Texaco supply fuel containing Ethanol?
Yes. We are required to supply ethanol blended fuel to meet the RTFO (Renewable Transport Fuels Obligation) for petrol (EN228). The specification allows for up to 5% Ethanol (E5) and we currently supply this in the majority of our 95 unleaded grade. In addition we now also supply E5 (contains up to 5% bio ethanol) 97 Octane Super Unleaded grade to much of the country.
The Beaver King said:
I'd be annoyed if the two Texaco garages near me stopped selling Super Unleaded.
I believe they are (or at least were) one of the few petrol companies that use little to no ethanol in their premium fuel
Nope. They get the same E5 from the same regional distribution depots who got it from the same refineries down the same pipelines. Then they tipped their own bucket of jollop into the tanker.I believe they are (or at least were) one of the few petrol companies that use little to no ethanol in their premium fuel
The Beaver King said:
compared to the 5% (soon to be 10%) used by the rest.
If/when it comes to pumps here, E10 - which has been available on the continent for the thick end of a decade, and is the default in the US - will still have to be clearly labelled as such, and E5 will remain the default.The Beaver King said:
Not a big deal to 99% of people, but quite important if you have a classic car or a motorcycle with a plastic fuel tank, like me
Plastic tanks are just fine on E10+. There can be problems with some rubber pipes etc, but not with plastic tanks. Unless you think every single plastic five litre emergency fuel can is also at risk from ethanol...?Personally, if I had rubber fuel components that weren't up to the vast vast majority of fuel available... I'd replace the components. Oh, wait. I have. Including the fuel pump diaphragm in a now-two-year-old Stihl strimmer. Twice.
Roman Rhodes said:
When refurbing a site its a good opportunity to optimise pump/tank configurations. Quite often 'super' unleaded will be dropped for 'super' diesel as it actually sells better in many locations.
Really? I always assumed no-one bought the super diesel because, as we all know, the diesel performance car is a rare beast. 
Podie said:
The average motorist just wants to run their car as cheaply as possible.
That means boggo unleaded and ditchfinder tyres, sadly.
That's where they are going wrong. I used to use super in my standard Toyota road car and got more miles out of the tank. I worked it out to be better value for the mileage I was getting. That means boggo unleaded and ditchfinder tyres, sadly.
Amazing that people don't realize that more octane = more bang and less required on the go faster pedal. Its not much but does make a difference.
poing said:
Sheepshanks said:
I do wonder how much they sell - I've heard (but might be internet b
ks) Shell stations can go months between refills of V-Power.
I remember many moons ago in one of the car magazines, might have been Evo or Performance Car, they did a fuel test and the 1 golden rule seemed to be fresh fuel was best regardless of octane rating. The conclusion was simply to use a busy petrol station.ks) Shell stations can go months between refills of V-Power.They tested a few performance cars but I think it was the BMW M5 that kept the same bhp no matter the fuel due to a clever ECU.
Is stale petrol really a thing though? I've left a project car with 3/4 tank of V Power in it for year whilst working on it, and had no starting or running problems at all.
Unless an ECU has been remapped to run silly boost or advanced timing, I don't see a problem with 95, so long as it's decent stuff.
Two of my cars have been mapped for Super and the third will be at some point next year.
I have two garages in easy reach that do super unleaded but no shell or tesco. At the garage I use normally the two pumps that dispense Super the release catch sticks from lack of use, apparently I'm one of the few at that garage to actually buy Super.
It'll be interesting when garages start switching pumps to electric charge points.
I have two garages in easy reach that do super unleaded but no shell or tesco. At the garage I use normally the two pumps that dispense Super the release catch sticks from lack of use, apparently I'm one of the few at that garage to actually buy Super.
It'll be interesting when garages start switching pumps to electric charge points.
Composite Guru said:
Amazing that people don't realize that more octane = more bang and less required on the go faster pedal. Its not much but does make a difference.
Amazing that more people don't realise that only applies if the car is set up to take advantage of it. Unless there's some way of knock sensing, to change the mapping according to the fuel in use - or if it can't use 95 - then it will make absolutely zero difference.TooMany2cvs said:
Amazing that more people don't realise that only applies if the car is set up to take advantage of it. Unless there's some way of knock sensing, to change the mapping according to the fuel in use - or if it can't use 95 - then it will make absolutely zero difference.
I think most modern engine management systems do use knock sensors and lambda sensors to constantly retune. My BRZ and Golf R both specify 98RON on the fuel filler cap.
Alex said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Amazing that more people don't realise that only applies if the car is set up to take advantage of it. Unless there's some way of knock sensing, to change the mapping according to the fuel in use - or if it can't use 95 - then it will make absolutely zero difference.
I think most modern engine management systems do use knock sensors and lambda sensors to constantly retune. My BRZ and Golf R both specify 98RON on the fuel filler cap.
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