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heebeegeetee said:
Kawasicki said:
me too, I'd love a Fiesta ST, converted to rwd!
Which brings me back to my opinion on modified cars - it'd be worse in every way and would represent a monumental waste of time and money. plus, it's my fantasy garage, not yours, so have a little respect...these are my dreams you are wrecking.
Kawasicki said:
heebeegeetee said:
Kawasicki said:
me too, I'd love a Fiesta ST, converted to rwd!
Which brings me back to my opinion on modified cars - it'd be worse in every way and would represent a monumental waste of time and money. plus, it's my fantasy garage, not yours, so have a little respect...these are my dreams you are wrecking.
RobM77 said:
Kawasicki said:
heebeegeetee said:
Kawasicki said:
me too, I'd love a Fiesta ST, converted to rwd!
Which brings me back to my opinion on modified cars - it'd be worse in every way and would represent a monumental waste of time and money. plus, it's my fantasy garage, not yours, so have a little respect...these are my dreams you are wrecking.
The Fiesta ST has near perfect weight distribution FOR A FWD CAR.
RobM77 said:
The reason the Fiesta is FWD is that it's cheaper and gives more interior space. So if you ditched those two requirements, you'd end up with better weight distribution, leading to vastly better cornering balance; more traction off the line; and for many people a much nicer driving experience. It would in effect be a 1 series and you'd have to be crackers to think the Fiesta handled better than a 1 series.
Well that makes What Car crackers then!Handling is the Fiesta's game, like the best hot hatches, is it not? So why would you have to be crackers to think it handles better than a 1 series? I recall some criticism of even the M135i's handling at extremes, albeit being fussy and yet the ST is universally lauded.
Edited by Patrick Bateman on Friday 9th December 19:13
Ahbefive said:
RobM77 said:
you'd have to be crackers to think the Fiesta handled better than a 1 series.
Surely not serious? A fiesta ST handles much better than a 1series. You'd have to be out of your mind to think the contrary, which it is apparent you are.
They wax lyrical about the Fiesta ST though in terms of handling and as a package.
The 1 series has been flawed from the outset, I've nothing at all against the 1 series and really like both the 130i and 135i but BMW didn't get it right.
Kawasicki said:
Fastdruid said:
You keep on about weight distribution but you are wrong.
The Fiesta ST has near perfect weight distribution FOR A FWD CAR.
would it not be better with 5% more weight on the driven wheels?The Fiesta ST has near perfect weight distribution FOR A FWD CAR.
That's "ideal" because like everything it's a compromise. Just like 50:50 is only really ideal for constant cornering. Ideal really for a RWD would be with a more rearwards bias. Even then it's not that straightforward because it's all to do with where the CoG is, the roll centres, the tyres and a bunch of other stuff. In short 50:50 is a very good starting point but it's not the be all and end all and does not by itself make a car "balanced".
Fastdruid said:
RobM77 said:
Kawasicki said:
heebeegeetee said:
Kawasicki said:
me too, I'd love a Fiesta ST, converted to rwd!
Which brings me back to my opinion on modified cars - it'd be worse in every way and would represent a monumental waste of time and money. plus, it's my fantasy garage, not yours, so have a little respect...these are my dreams you are wrecking.
The Fiesta ST has near perfect weight distribution FOR A FWD CAR.
Fastdruid said:
Kawasicki said:
Fastdruid said:
You keep on about weight distribution but you are wrong.
The Fiesta ST has near perfect weight distribution FOR A FWD CAR.
would it not be better with 5% more weight on the driven wheels?The Fiesta ST has near perfect weight distribution FOR A FWD CAR.
That's "ideal" because like everything it's a compromise. Just like 50:50 is only really ideal for constant cornering. Ideal really for a RWD would be with a more rearwards bias. Even then it's not that straightforward because it's all to do with where the CoG is, the roll centres, the tyres and a bunch of other stuff. In short 50:50 is a very good starting point but it's not the be all and end all and does not by itself make a car "balanced".
and rearward weight bias is great for lap times, but poor for straight line stability..which is probably more important for most drivers.
RobM77 said:
Fastdruid said:
RobM77 said:
Kawasicki said:
heebeegeetee said:
Kawasicki said:
me too, I'd love a Fiesta ST, converted to rwd!
Which brings me back to my opinion on modified cars - it'd be worse in every way and would represent a monumental waste of time and money. plus, it's my fantasy garage, not yours, so have a little respect...these are my dreams you are wrecking.
The Fiesta ST has near perfect weight distribution FOR A FWD CAR.
Equally yours which is designed to trawl the motorway on the way to make the next sale is just as compromised. Obviously ideal for the rep up and down the motorway all day but wasn't despite the marketing built only with handing in mind.
Balance is about the geometry, the suspension and the tyres. Weight distribution plays a part but it is not the be all and end all that you make it out to be.
Fastdruid said:
At *one* point in the corner.
Equally yours which is designed to trawl the motorway on the way to make the next sale is just as compromised. Obviously ideal for the rep up and down the motorway all day but wasn't despite the marketing built only with handing in mind.
Balance is about the geometry, the suspension and the tyres. Weight distribution plays a part but it is not the be all and end all that you make it out to be.
that is the beauty of rwd, it is not just at one point in the corner, under power the car can de driven in a balanced manner the whole way out of the corner. fwd cars on the other hand just tend to understeer more under power. Equally yours which is designed to trawl the motorway on the way to make the next sale is just as compromised. Obviously ideal for the rep up and down the motorway all day but wasn't despite the marketing built only with handing in mind.
Balance is about the geometry, the suspension and the tyres. Weight distribution plays a part but it is not the be all and end all that you make it out to be.
Kawasicki said:
Fastdruid said:
At *one* point in the corner.
Equally yours which is designed to trawl the motorway on the way to make the next sale is just as compromised. Obviously ideal for the rep up and down the motorway all day but wasn't despite the marketing built only with handing in mind.
Balance is about the geometry, the suspension and the tyres. Weight distribution plays a part but it is not the be all and end all that you make it out to be.
that is the beauty of rwd, it is not just at one point in the corner, under power the car can de driven in a balanced manner the whole way out of the corner. fwd cars on the other hand just tend to understeer more under power. Equally yours which is designed to trawl the motorway on the way to make the next sale is just as compromised. Obviously ideal for the rep up and down the motorway all day but wasn't despite the marketing built only with handing in mind.
Balance is about the geometry, the suspension and the tyres. Weight distribution plays a part but it is not the be all and end all that you make it out to be.
Fastdruid said:
RobM77 said:
Fastdruid said:
RobM77 said:
Kawasicki said:
heebeegeetee said:
Kawasicki said:
me too, I'd love a Fiesta ST, converted to rwd!
Which brings me back to my opinion on modified cars - it'd be worse in every way and would represent a monumental waste of time and money. plus, it's my fantasy garage, not yours, so have a little respect...these are my dreams you are wrecking.
The Fiesta ST has near perfect weight distribution FOR A FWD CAR.
Equally yours which is designed to trawl the motorway on the way to make the next sale is just as compromised. Obviously ideal for the rep up and down the motorway all day but wasn't despite the marketing built only with handing in mind.
Balance is about the geometry, the suspension and the tyres. Weight distribution plays a part but it is not the be all and end all that you make it out to be.
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