NA vs Turbo sound...

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BigLion

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1,497 posts

99 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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If both engines were 4.0 v8's and the only difference being one was a turbo, would they sound similar still?

996TT02

3,308 posts

140 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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No, the exhaust of a turbo is interfered with by the turbo itself.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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That's why Mad Max had a supercharger

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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You don't get whistle and/or blow off with the NA compared to the turbo.

Monkeylegend

26,323 posts

231 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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One blows and one sucks.

Section 8

541 posts

189 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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wormus said:
That's why Mad Max had a supercharger
In movieland he did. In reality he had a Weiand casing with a battery making the blower pulley spin. Omg the interceptor was a ricer!

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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I suspect the difference is actually minimal. Despite what many motoring hacks may have claimed in the past with turbo's robbing the exhaust sound.

Yes a turbo interfers with the exhaust. But so does a silencer/muffler. If you are comparing a straight through exhaust with a turbo, then the turbo will likely be slightly quieter and maybe a slightly different sound. But you can alter the sound of a na by different silencers anyhow.

Just YouTube turbo Corvettes, Camaro's, Trans Am,a or Mustangs and compare to the same vehicles running n/a. Obviously you won't have the turbo noises on n/a, but the engines and exhausts won't sound a busting lot different in my opinion.

ging84

8,883 posts

146 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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You can't really have a situation where the only difference is the turbo, the turbo is integrated into the exhaust manifold, and the intake, 2 things which both have a very big influence on the sound of the vehicle.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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YouTube AC Cobra 427 sound doesn't get much better from a NA big block v8

Then you tube A launching from a Rally Stage of a say Lancia S4 evolution or a Audi ur Quattro S4 etc.

They all sound good to me but I'd take the Cobra every single time - even assuming the values are all equal.

toohuge

3,434 posts

216 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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One of the closet comparisons could be the Porsche flat - 6, in the 997 GT3 & turbo. Both Mezger, same number of cylinders etc. one has 2 turbos, the other is NA - how different do they sound?

MitchT

15,847 posts

209 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Depends on a lot of factors I guess. The BMW M4 is turbocharged and sounds as flat as a fart. The 440i is also turbocharged but sounds like a classic BMW straight six. Ditto the M2.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Welshbeef said:
YouTube AC Cobra 427 sound doesn't get much better from a NA big block v8

Then you tube A launching from a Rally Stage of a say Lancia S4 evolution or a Audi ur Quattro S4 etc.

They all sound good to me but I'd take the Cobra every single time - even assuming the values are all equal.
Comparing a 4 pot, 5 pot and a V8. Is unlikely to help the op when asking what affect the turbo has on noise/sound tongue out

Section 8

541 posts

189 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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As much as it pains me to say it the M5 sounds a bit ste for a V8 turbo. After the e39 and the v10 it might be a lot more powerful but it just sounds strangled and muted.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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ging84 said:
You can't really have a situation where the only difference is the turbo, the turbo is integrated into the exhaust manifold, and the intake, 2 things which both have a very big influence on the sound of the vehicle.
Obviously in terms of air flow, then yes a turbo will affect both exhaust and intake. But you don't have to mount the turbo at the exhaust manifold. You can remote mount them. And likewise with the intake, you only need to plumb it to the intake manifold. Most n/a manifolds are perfectly up to the task.

cerb4.5lee

30,471 posts

180 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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BigLion said:
If both engines were 4.0 v8's and the only difference being one was a turbo, would they sound similar still?
I would say yes, I had a M3 with a N/A 4.0 V8 and it didn't sound very good, I also heard a RS6 overtake me with a 4.0 V8 twin turbo and it sounded equally as bad.

I blame the emission laws.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Section 8 said:
As much as it pains me to say it the M5 sounds a bit ste for a V8 turbo. After the e39 and the v10 it might be a lot more powerful but it just sounds strangled and muted.
An abrovamich exhaust resolves that issue just like is does for he mute E92 M3 OEM exhaust

TameRacingDriver

18,066 posts

272 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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At a PH meet a few years back, there was an RS6 and an R8, the RS6 was the turbo'd version of the same engine as in the R8 and the latter sounded noticeably better, but I would imagine the R8 was designed from the outset to give a better noise in the first place. My understanding was that a Turbo normally silenced an engine somewhat, all things being equal.

caelite

4,274 posts

112 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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300bhp/ton said:
Welshbeef said:
YouTube AC Cobra 427 sound doesn't get much better from a NA big block v8

Then you tube A launching from a Rally Stage of a say Lancia S4 evolution or a Audi ur Quattro S4 etc.

They all sound good to me but I'd take the Cobra every single time - even assuming the values are all equal.
Comparing a 4 pot, 5 pot and a V8. Is unlikely to help the op when asking what affect the turbo has on noise/sound tongue out
For like for like comparisons: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gCqVy0_jKEQ cant really get closer than this, both v8s of similar power output produced by the same people, one 4.0 one 6.2.

Personally I love turbos smile

Arnold Cunningham

3,764 posts

253 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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I've experimented with this a bit. In my experience, the turbo kills much of the high frequency noise from the motor - to be replaced by turbo whine.
I find the "angry" noise of an NA V8 is lost on a turbo, even if running straight through.

"Best" on both motors was the same, but the NA still sounded better. Until the turbo comes on boost and I stop caring about the exhaust noise.


300bhp/ton said:
I suspect the difference is actually minimal. Despite what many motoring hacks may have claimed in the past with turbo's robbing the exhaust sound.

Yes a turbo interfers with the exhaust. But so does a silencer/muffler. If you are comparing a straight through exhaust with a turbo, then the turbo will likely be slightly quieter and maybe a slightly different sound. But you can alter the sound of a na by different silencers anyhow.

Just YouTube turbo Corvettes, Camaro's, Trans Am,a or Mustangs and compare to the same vehicles running n/a. Obviously you won't have the turbo noises on n/a, but the engines and exhausts won't sound a busting lot different in my opinion.

RS250_Steve

149 posts

102 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Don't just focus on exhaust sound. Turbos completely kill induction noise.
Just listen to an old mk1 escort rally car and a modern 4pot turbo. You hear the induction noise before anything with a N/A rally car way before you can see it.