Used 4 doors saloon, RWD, manual and affordable?

[anonymous-user]

Shakermaker said:

Does it have to be a Saloon?

What about a RWD Transit Crewcab?

Or a Kawasaki Ninja.

[Shifter1]

sleepera6 said:

Or a Kawasaki Ninja.

Have a ZX-10R actually.

[Jimmy Recard]

kambites said:

Ah I see! I only suggested the Rover rather thant he MG because I thought it was a more ridiculous suggestion for someone who's rejected the Jag on the grounds of image.

It has to be said, there's a good reason people in this market tend to buy the 5-series.

Yep! If I really, really didn't want a 5-Series then a Jaguar S-Type or Vauxhall Omega would do. I don't think there are many choices left!

[Jimmy Recard]

It's not left hand drive, but finding an Omega V6 with a manual gearbox is probably the best bet if you really, really can't have a 5-Series or S-Type.

Autotrader has an Omega 2.6 V6 manual with 105k miles, MOT until August the 24th 2017 and even an LPG kit installed for £895. It's not left hand drive but there must be something out there on the continent

[s m]

Jimmy Recard said:

It's not left hand drive, but finding an Omega V6 with a manual gearbox is probably the best bet if you really, really can't have a 5-Series or S-Type.

Autotrader has an Omega 2.6 V6 manual with 105k miles, MOT until August the 24th 2017 and even an LPG kit installed for £895. It's not left hand drive but there must be something out there on the continent

Not the Lotus but still fast enough

Won't depreciate

http://www.finecars.cc/en/detail/car/111029/index....

[Shifter1]

Jimmy Recard said:

Yep! If I really, really didn't want a 5-Series then a Jaguar S-Type or Vauxhall Omega would do. I don't think there are many choices left!

I said several times I would be OK with an Omega V6 3.0 manual. But you can't find them.

The S-type is too ugly and retro for my tastes. If I had to go with an older Jag I would much prefer the X-type looks. But it's not RWD and it's about as big as an Astra inside, so too small.

[Shifter1]

s m said:

Not the Lotus but still fast enough

Won't depreciate

http://www.finecars.cc/en/detail/car/111029/index....

I'm fine with the Omega, meaning the Omega B in Europe but not the Carlton. The Carlton is too old at this point for a daily family car. Not enough safety. It's a collector's or weekend car at this point.

Besides I'm sure that car is above budget. He probably wants at least €15000 for it.

[s m]

Jimmy Recard said:

It's not left hand drive, but finding an Omega V6 with a manual gearbox is probably the best bet if you really, really can't have a 5-Series or S-Type.

Autotrader has an Omega 2.6 V6 manual with 105k miles, MOT until August the 24th 2017 and even an LPG kit installed for £895. It's not left hand drive but there must be something out there on the continent

Seems the obvious choice Jimmy

Quick 10 minute search of the various European car selling sites I found plenty of lhd V6 manuals

There'll be something not quite right with them

That was just the German ones on one popular site - sehr schnell

http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...

http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...


http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...


http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...

[Shifter1]

s m said:

Seems the obvious choice Jimmy

Quick 10 minute search of the various European car selling sites I found plenty of lhd V6 manuals

There'll be something not quite right with them

That was just the German ones on one popular site - sehr schnell

http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...

http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...


http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...


http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...

4 cars out of possibly 2000 hits and you consider that plenty? And this from a nationwide search or possibly European-wide.

And from these 4 results, 1 is the right engine and gearbox but much older than MY2000 and in really bad condition plus not MOT, the other is not even a saloon, the third is again too old and also a 2.5, the fourth is ok apart from not being a 3.0. So actually none of them ticks all the boxes. So I would not call this plenty. I had seen them all by the way apart from the estate because I’m not looking for an estate.

You also have to consider distance. Some of those are basically 7 hours way. With a car without MOT or that is unregistered I would have to have it shipped, rent a trailer and find somebody who has the right driver’s licence to go pick it up or pay somebody to pick it up. All fine if the car is nice and ticks all boxes. Not for pieces of junk or cars that are not what I’m looking for.

Plenty for me means opening my local newspaper and seeing many cars for sale there or at least finding many within a couple of hours driving. Finding all of 4 cars within 10 hours drive is not plenty. It means they are difficult to find. Which is what I said.

Thanks for taking the time and searching. But please stop acting like there are plenty out there and I just don’t want to buy it. Like I said for about 10 times now already, I already looked for 3.0 V6 manual Omegas. They are very thin on the ground. I had seen all of the ones posted in this thread so far.

[Finlandia]

Kawasicki said:

Shifter1 said:

Kawasicki said:

whether or not you have owned a fwd car with traction problems is completely irrelevant. Physics is all that matters.

I have learned not to try to argue with people who questions why somebody would want a RWD or a manual gearbox. If they ask is because they will never understand.

it is fine not to care, but the idea that nobody would notice the difference between fwd and rwd in everyday driving is daft. some people notice.

Today I noticed the difference, RWD cars were struggling in the four inches of snow that fell during the night

[Kawasicki]

Finlandia said:

Kawasicki said:

Shifter1 said:

Kawasicki said:

whether or not you have owned a fwd car with traction problems is completely irrelevant. Physics is all that matters.

I have learned not to try to argue with people who questions why somebody would want a RWD or a manual gearbox. If they ask is because they will never understand.

it is fine not to care, but the idea that nobody would notice the difference between fwd and rwd in everyday driving is daft. some people notice.

Today I noticed the difference, RWD cars were struggling in the four inches of snow that fell during the night

including rear engined rwd cars?

[Finlandia]

Kawasicki said:

Finlandia said:

Kawasicki said:

Shifter1 said:

Kawasicki said:

whether or not you have owned a fwd car with traction problems is completely irrelevant. Physics is all that matters.

I have learned not to try to argue with people who questions why somebody would want a RWD or a manual gearbox. If they ask is because they will never understand.

it is fine not to care, but the idea that nobody would notice the difference between fwd and rwd in everyday driving is daft. some people notice.

Today I noticed the difference, RWD cars were struggling in the four inches of snow that fell during the night

including rear engined rwd cars?

No mid or rear engined cars out in this weather. I fondly remember a -65 Beetle that I once had, it was brilliant in getting going, but it wouldn't turn in the snow and ice, never experienced understeer like it. It wasn't really a modern car though, and it has nothing at all to do with the thread

[nickfrog]

There was that character in Little Britain walking into a book shop and asking for an impossible book to find. Almost as funny as this thread.

[Kawasicki]

Finlandia said:

No mid or rear engined cars out in this weather. I fondly remember a -65 Beetle that I once had, it was brilliant in getting going, but it wouldn't turn in the snow and ice, never experienced understeer like it. It wasn't really a modern car though, and it has nothing at all to do with the thread

i had a job for a couple of years testing winter tyres in Sweden and Finland....we had a fleet of 10 cars, the test involved a snow hill climb on a twisty and flowing course through the forest.

the front engined, rear wheel drive cars were my favourite.

Given the choice I would always pick a rwd car for driving on snow and ice, it is so much fun.

[Finlandia]

Kawasicki said:

Finlandia said:

No mid or rear engined cars out in this weather. I fondly remember a -65 Beetle that I once had, it was brilliant in getting going, but it wouldn't turn in the snow and ice, never experienced understeer like it. It wasn't really a modern car though, and it has nothing at all to do with the thread

i had a job for a couple of years testing winter tyres in Sweden and Finland....we had a fleet of 10 cars, the test involved a snow hill climb on a twisty and flowing course through the forest.

the front engined, rear wheel drive cars were my favourite.

Given the choice I would always pick a rwd car for driving on snow and ice, it is so much fun.

As we say here up in the snowy North, if you want to have a fun journey, choose RWD, if you need to get where you are going, choose FWD. (AWD is mainly for the big city folk who can't drive )

[Jimmy Recard]

s m said:

Seems the obvious choice Jimmy

Quick 10 minute search of the various European car selling sites I found plenty of lhd V6 manuals

There'll be something not quite right with them

That was just the German ones on one popular site - sehr schnell

http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...

http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...


http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...


http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...

Shifter1, we don't know where you live so it's hard to find cars near you anyway!

s m, this thread has got me keeping one eye open for a nice Omega MV6 manual. I really like the one you found in Berkshire. I always wanted one and I've sort of just realised how hard they are to find!

[Hugo a Gogo]

nickfrog said:

There was that character in Little Britain walking into a book shop and asking for an impossible book to find. Almost as funny as this thread.

I was just thinking the same!

"Margaret!"

[s m]

Jimmy Recard said:

s m, this thread has got me keeping one eye open for a nice Omega MV6 manual. I really like the one you found in Berkshire. I always wanted one and I've sort of just realised how hard they are to find!

I'm not even looking for one .....but if I were I wouldn't be asking on a forum ....I'd be firing up Google and a few other search engines

[Shifter1]

Jimmy Recard said:

Shifter1, we don't know where you live so it's hard to find cars near you anyway!

s m, this thread has got me keeping one eye open for a nice Omega MV6 manual. I really like the one you found in Berkshire. I always wanted one and I've sort of just realised how hard they are to find!

Well, to be honest I never asked anybody to look for cars for me.;)
It's nice people have taken the time to do it. But I asked for model suggestions so I could look myself, for the very same reason you mentioned above.

The thing is, of course they exist. But that is very different from there being plenty. If I would find a nice example I would maybe be willing to drive hours to look at it. But I'm definitely not looking for a project car.

Because they are so difficult to find is the reason I didn't even include them in my considerations in my original post. The other problem with them is that they will probably have been abused. Most who would buy a manual probably would abuse them or they would buy an auto. Now with cars where manuals are more common or the standard this is less of a problem.

[s m]

nickfrog said:

There was that character in Little Britain walking into a book shop and asking for an impossible book to find. Almost as funny as this thread.

Merc E280s came up in numbers with a manual box, lhd - only 200ish bhp though

I remember a friend asking similar years back - found him a rare special order 4-litre Jag XJ ( manual ) - he didn't want a 6-pot XJR

Edited by s m on Saturday 10th December 16:25