Used 4 doors saloon, RWD, manual and affordable?

[Shifter1]

Finlandia said:

Nothing wrong with FWD in a Volvo S/V70 or S80, plenty to be found and at really discount pricing.

If I was buying a hot hatch I would not mind FWD. Not for a large saloon.

[RuthlessGK]

Is a Toyota Camry/Honda Legend RWD.
The only other things I can think is Lexus GS300/430 or if possible Aristo with a manual conversion.

Zaff

[Finlandia]

Shifter1 said:

Finlandia said:

Nothing wrong with FWD in a Volvo S/V70 or S80, plenty to be found and at really discount pricing.

If I was buying a hot hatch I would not mind FWD. Not for a large saloon.

In normal day-to-day driving in a big barge, you will not notice which end is driving. Try one, you may be surprised.

[Mave]

Infiniti G35?

[Glasgowrob]

Omega v6,


plenty manuals out there and can get them for pennies, and if someone else buys one its one less for me to buy


everything you need, RWD manual 200 horses (on the 3l and 3.2) and massive

[Kawasicki]

Finlandia said:

Shifter1 said:

Finlandia said:

Nothing wrong with FWD in a Volvo S/V70 or S80, plenty to be found and at really discount pricing.

If I was buying a hot hatch I would not mind FWD. Not for a large saloon.

In normal day-to-day driving in a big barge, you will not notice which end is driving. Try one, you may be surprised.

it is plainly obvious at the exit of every roundabout, fwd makes it hard to get all the power down. how can you not notice it?

[Finlandia]

Kawasicki said:

Finlandia said:

Shifter1 said:

Finlandia said:

Nothing wrong with FWD in a Volvo S/V70 or S80, plenty to be found and at really discount pricing.

If I was buying a hot hatch I would not mind FWD. Not for a large saloon.

In normal day-to-day driving in a big barge, you will not notice which end is driving. Try one, you may be surprised.

it is plainly obvious at the exit of every roundabout, fwd makes it hard to get all the power down. how can you not notice it?

Then I suggest another type of car, a big barge isn't the right choice.

[Kawasicki]

Finlandia said:

Kawasicki said:

Finlandia said:

Shifter1 said:

Finlandia said:

Nothing wrong with FWD in a Volvo S/V70 or S80, plenty to be found and at really discount pricing.

If I was buying a hot hatch I would not mind FWD. Not for a large saloon.

In normal day-to-day driving in a big barge, you will not notice which end is driving. Try one, you may be surprised.

it is plainly obvious at the exit of every roundabout, fwd makes it hard to get all the power down. how can you not notice it?

Then I suggest another type of car, a big barge isn't the right choice.

i had a 6 series and a 7 series, both were great fun to drive. Did I make a wrong choice?

[Finlandia]

Kawasicki said:

Finlandia said:

Kawasicki said:

Finlandia said:

Shifter1 said:

Finlandia said:

Nothing wrong with FWD in a Volvo S/V70 or S80, plenty to be found and at really discount pricing.

If I was buying a hot hatch I would not mind FWD. Not for a large saloon.

In normal day-to-day driving in a big barge, you will not notice which end is driving. Try one, you may be surprised.

it is plainly obvious at the exit of every roundabout, fwd makes it hard to get all the power down. how can you not notice it?

Then I suggest another type of car, a big barge isn't the right choice.

i had a 6 series and a 7 series, both were great fun to drive. Did I make a wrong choice?

Ask the OP, I have a feeling you did

[Shifter1]

Glasgowrob said:

Omega v6,


plenty manuals out there and can get them for pennies, and if someone else buys one its one less for me to buy


everything you need, RWD manual 200 horses (on the 3l and 3.2) and massive

I agree. But where are you seeing plenty of manual 3.0 Omegas?

[white_goodman]

Kawasicki said:

it is plainly obvious at the exit of every roundabout, fwd makes it hard to get all the power down. how can you not notice it?

Nonsense. I have never owned a FWD car that struggles to get its power down but I'm sure a few do exist, as do cars with RWD that struggle to get their power down. Ignoring the very restrictive criteria, I would suggest a Subaru Legacy Spec B or an Alfa Romeo 166 V6. Otherwise a BMW 5-Series... Anyway, how big are your children? I have two and up until quite recently, we coped perfectly well with a Toyota Auris and a Honda Civic. I would imagine that there are a few more options in the next class down (Lexus IS, C-Class etc) with manual transmissions.

Can you get a manual Chrysler 300, as that meets all the other criteria?

[Hugo a Gogo]

omega http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=...

[Kawasicki]

white_goodman said:

Kawasicki said:

it is plainly obvious at the exit of every roundabout, fwd makes it hard to get all the power down. how can you not notice it?

Nonsense. I have never owned a FWD car that struggles to get its power down but I'm sure a few do exist, as do cars with RWD that struggle to get their power down. Ignoring the very restrictive criteria, I would suggest a Subaru Legacy Spec B or an Alfa Romeo 166 V6. Otherwise a BMW 5-Series... Anyway, how big are your children? I have two and up until quite recently, we coped perfectly well with a Toyota Auris and a Honda Civic. I would imagine that there are a few more options in the next class down (Lexus IS, C-Class etc) with manual transmissions.

Can you get a manual Chrysler 300, as that meets all the other criteria?

whether or not you have owned a fwd car with traction problems is completely irrelevant. Physics is all that matters.

[parabolica]

Saab 9-5. Although finding a 3.0 V6 in decent nick might take a while. 2.3 is a four-pot but plenty of go.

ETA of course not RWD, but you seem to be ruling out most of the go-to alternatives.

Edited by parabolica on Friday 9th December 19:10

[Mike335i]

Just goes to show how good BMW was at catering to the purist, large car audience.

Until now that is, only the 520d is manual on the g30. Maybe it's because the 5 is the new 7 series, so by that logic it needs to be a recent 3 series that he should look at. But not a bmw one..... How about.... an Alpina?
No they would be too expensive.

And you could have a lovely 5 series for the money. There that's it, you need a BMW 5 series.

[white_goodman]

Kawasicki said:

whether or not you have owned a fwd car with traction problems is completely irrelevant. Physics is all that matters.

I guess your talking about weight transfer under acceleration but then unless it's mid/rear-engined the weight of the engine is still over the front tyres and if you add in a low friction surface you're still going to have issues in a powerful RWDer too.

[Kawasicki]

white_goodman said:

Kawasicki said:

whether or not you have owned a fwd car with traction problems is completely irrelevant. Physics is all that matters.

I guess your talking about weight transfer under acceleration but then unless it's mid/rear-engined the weight of the engine is still over the front tyres and if you add in a low friction surface you're still going to have issues in a powerful RWDer too.

the weight (load) on the front tyres drops when you accelerate. The more powerful/larger the car the less fwd makes sense.

[white_goodman]

Kawasicki said:

the weight (load) on the front tyres drops when you accelerate. The more powerful/larger the car the less fwd makes sense.

Yep, I know all that and in perfect conditions then yes. In less than perfect conditions though i.e. most of the time, in my experience with similarly (not outlandishly) powered front-engine FWD and RWD cars i.e. less than 200bhp, the FWD cars have got their power down better. Obviously if you have 500bhp then you're going to have traction issues either way but RWD will be better.

[Shifter1]

Kawasicki said:

whether or not you have owned a fwd car with traction problems is completely irrelevant. Physics is all that matters.

I have learned not to try to argue with people who questions why somebody would want a RWD or a manual gearbox. If they ask is because they will never understand.

[Kawasicki]

Shifter1 said:

Kawasicki said:

whether or not you have owned a fwd car with traction problems is completely irrelevant. Physics is all that matters.

I have learned not to try to argue with people who questions why somebody would want a RWD or a manual gearbox. If they ask is because they will never understand.

it is fine not to care, but the idea that nobody would notice the difference between fwd and rwd in everyday driving is daft. some people notice.