Cat B car for sale?

[saaby93]

Surely there is a worse category than any of these.
Its where the owner has severely damaged the car himself, got it patched up in a back street yard and selling it on out the way.

Cat B, C ,D depends on who is making the selection on the day.
Weren't many VX220s classified as cat B when the fibreglass shell was severely damaged?
(and strictly it ties in with the RAC quote above)
However that's the way fibreglass is. Unbolt the old bits, bolt on the new bits and it's probably better than new.
Many classic cars have replacement chassis or replacement bodies

It's like the brush I use for sweeping the yard. I've had it over twenty years its brilliant. OK Ive fitted a few replacement brusheads over that time and a couple of handles....

[Yazza54]

It's the statement on the V5 that gets me. It leads any potential buyer to believe that a cat C car has a more sinister past than any other damaged repaired vehicle out there. The only cars that get ringed nowadays are CAT Bs, mostly from flood damage I would imagine.

[TooMany2cvs]

Yazza54 said:

It's the statement on the V5 that gets me. It leads any potential buyer to believe that a cat C car has a more sinister past than any other damaged repaired vehicle out there.

"Substantially repaired and/or accident damaged".

Seems to be a simple statement of fact. Just because it isn't on the V5C of every single damaged/repaired car doesn't mean it isn't true about CatCs.

[Yazza54]

TooMany2cvs said:

Yazza54 said:

It's the statement on the V5 that gets me. It leads any potential buyer to believe that a cat C car has a more sinister past than any other damaged repaired vehicle out there.

"Substantially repaired and/or accident damaged".

Seems to be a simple statement of fact. Just because it isn't on the V5C of every single damaged/repaired car doesn't mean it isn't true about CatCs.

I had a Cat C car that needed a new rear wing and tail light... you can browse copart and find plenty of high value cars with a full corner missing listed as cat D. The statement isn't false but it should be on a cat D Cars V5C too, or not on any. After all, that's why anyone with half a brain HPI checks a car before buying anyway.

[TooMany2cvs]

Yazza54 said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Yazza54 said:

It's the statement on the V5 that gets me. It leads any potential buyer to believe that a cat C car has a more sinister past than any other damaged repaired vehicle out there.

"Substantially repaired and/or accident damaged".

Seems to be a simple statement of fact. Just because it isn't on the V5C of every single damaged/repaired car doesn't mean it isn't true about CatCs.

I had a Cat C car that needed a new rear wing and tail light... you can browse copart and find plenty of high value cars with a full corner missing listed as cat D. The statement isn't false but it should be on a cat D Cars V5C too, or not on any. After all, that's why anyone with half a brain HPI checks a car before buying anyway.

How about on the V5C of anything that insurance has repaired? Or anything that hasn't even been claimed, and repaired by the owner?

[Yazza54]

TooMany2cvs said:

Yazza54 said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Yazza54 said:

It's the statement on the V5 that gets me. It leads any potential buyer to believe that a cat C car has a more sinister past than any other damaged repaired vehicle out there.

"Substantially repaired and/or accident damaged".

Seems to be a simple statement of fact. Just because it isn't on the V5C of every single damaged/repaired car doesn't mean it isn't true about CatCs.

I had a Cat C car that needed a new rear wing and tail light... you can browse copart and find plenty of high value cars with a full corner missing listed as cat D. The statement isn't false but it should be on a cat D Cars V5C too, or not on any. After all, that's why anyone with half a brain HPI checks a car before buying anyway.

How about on the V5C of anything that insurance has repaired? Or anything that hasn't even been claimed, and repaired by the owner?

I don't think it should be on any. All I'm saying is IF it needs to be on a Cat C vehicles V5C then I see no reason why the same statement shouldn't be on a cat D cars V5C, because the clear definition between the categories is based upon whether or not the car is economical to repair, this does not directly correspond to the severity/amount of damage.

As for statements regarding unrecorded damaged repaired by the vehicle owner, I'm sure I don't need to tell you how irrelevant that is to the point I'm making?

Edited by Yazza54 on Sunday 8th January 10:37

[Ade65]

TooMany2cvs said:

Ade65 said:

Hi. Can someone tell me where to find the marker on the V5C of "Damage:Recorded against VIN and VRM, XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

That's more like HPI wording.

A V5C for a VIC'd CatC would say...

I would have thought a CatB would be likewise, and a post-VIC-removal CatC would just miss the "identity checked" bit off.

Thank you. We bought the car 15 months ago there is nothing on V5C , the dealer did all the checks and we have documents stating no outstanding finance and it's not been written off. It now shows as Cat B on auto trader and Experian.

[Yazza54]

Ade65 said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Ade65 said:

Hi. Can someone tell me where to find the marker on the V5C of "Damage:Recorded against VIN and VRM, XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

That's more like HPI wording.

A V5C for a VIC'd CatC would say...

I would have thought a CatB would be likewise, and a post-VIC-removal CatC would just miss the "identity checked" bit off.

Thank you. We bought the car 15 months ago there is nothing on V5C , the dealer did all the checks and we have documents stating no outstanding finance and it's not been written off. It now shows as Cat B on auto trader and Experian.

A Cat B probably wouldn't say anything because it shouldn't have been put back on the road anyway/they wouldn't even issue a V5C for it.

[saaby93]

Ade65 said:

Thank you. We bought the car 15 months ago there is nothing on V5C , the dealer did all the checks and we have documents stating no outstanding finance and it's not been written off. It now shows as Cat B on auto trader and Experian.

What does it say on HPI?
I think it's HPI that will rectify mistakes
Systems are fallible and the cat system in particular can appear arbitrary
Just look on ebay for salvage not recorded and guess why that might be

[TooMany2cvs]

Yazza54 said:

A Cat B probably wouldn't say anything because it shouldn't have been put back on the road anyway/they wouldn't even issue a V5C for it.

It was October 15 that the VIC was discontinued - and that DVLA stopped issuing new V5Cs for CatBs. They shouldn't have escaped before, but that was more of an agreement between the insurers and the salvage auctioneers/breakers than anything legally enforceable.

[saaby93]

TooMany2cvs said:

Yazza54 said:

A Cat B probably wouldn't say anything because it shouldn't have been put back on the road anyway/they wouldn't even issue a V5C for it.

It was October 15 that the VIC was discontinued - and that DVLA stopped issuing new V5Cs for CatBs. They shouldn't have escaped before, but that was more of an agreement between the insurers and the salvage auctioneers/breakers than anything legally enforceable.

Was there a shouldnt in it?
ok if the insurer disposed of it to a breakers as cat B they expected to only appear again as discrete pieces

If instead the insurer classed it as cat B but came to an arrangement for the owner to keep it, the owner could still buy in all the necessary parts ( the insurer might say why didnt you just buy another) and put it back on the road - as we've seen

[Yazza54]

TooMany2cvs said:

Yazza54 said:

A Cat B probably wouldn't say anything because it shouldn't have been put back on the road anyway/they wouldn't even issue a V5C for it.

It was October 15 that the VIC was discontinued - and that DVLA stopped issuing new V5Cs for CatBs. They shouldn't have escaped before, but that was more of an agreement between the insurers and the salvage auctioneers/breakers than anything legally enforceable.

I know - I put a Cat B back on the road before then as described earlier in this thread... then subsequently wrote it off again

[GC8]

DuraAce said:

daemon said:

Sorry, i should have been clearer - it has a V5C and it looks like the previous owner has had it taxed and MOT'd for several years since the Cat B status marker.

That's no guarantee DVLA will issue a new V5 to you though is it?
Tread very carefully.

Yes, that is exactly what it is.

[TooMany2cvs]

saaby93 said:

If instead the insurer classed it as cat B but came to an arrangement for the owner to keep it...

That bit shouldn't have ever happened, though, under the industry agreements. A & B = licensed breaker only.

I'm not saying it never happened - but it shouldn't have...

[GC8]

And that is the difference between reading and quoting the ABI website and actually knowing what you are talking about.

[TooMany2cvs]

GC8 said:

And that is the difference between reading and quoting the ABI website and actually knowing what you are talking about.

Which bit of "I'm not saying it never happened..." did you not bother reading?

[saaby93]

TooMany2cvs said:

saaby93 said:

If instead the insurer classed it as cat B but came to an arrangement for the owner to keep it...

That bit shouldn't have ever happened, though, under the industry agreements. A & B = licensed breaker only.
I'm not saying it never happened - but it shouldn't have...

TooMany2cvs said:

GC8 said:

And that is the difference between reading and quoting the ABI website and actually knowing what you are talking about.

Which bit of "I'm not saying it never happened..." did you not bother reading?

It was the next bit that gives the issue ' A&B = licensed breaker only'

Here is the code
https://www.abi.org.uk/~/media/Files/Documents/Pub...

Page 2 under cat A (scrap only) and cat B (break for spare parts if economically viable)
Salvage disposers should use best endeavours to ensure that Category A and B vehicles do not reappear on the road.

What should DVLA do with the V5C for cat A, B C
'Where vehicle salvage is retained by the owner/registered keeper and subsequently sold on, they should be made aware by the insurer that the vehicle may have to undergo a VIC test before a replacement V5C is issued by DVLA. The V5C must be returned if it has been provided to the insurer for scrutiny prior to claims settlement.'
So nothing wrong with the owner taking the car back to sort it out

If instead it goes to a breakers:-
Page 3 Where salvage is being disposed of by a member of a supporting organisation
Cat A salvege must be crushed
Cat B Category B must be treated as Category A once reusable parts have been removed.
THE BODYSHELL/FRAME/CHASSIS MUST BE CRUSHED.

See how owners are able to do something with their P&J that salvage yards are not?

Now did that ABI code change last year or not
Is there a newer one

[saaby93]

As no-one answered
The V62 form says a cat B should not be registered
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

In legal bod parlance should not doesnt have the same meaning as must not

Has anyone managed to register a cat B under the new rules?

[Davie]

sorin1987 said:

I would never buy a car that was involved in a serious car accident. You don't know how good the repair was....You might have trouble insuring it and I would always worry that it is not safe or reliable.. I don't want that headache..

Always makes me smile... how many cars out there have been in a serious accident and repaired but were never subject to a claim, thus remain unrecorded?

[powerstroke]

Davie said:

Always makes me smile... how many cars out there have been in a serious accident and repaired but were never subject to a claim, thus remain unrecorded?

Yes exactly you could have a 10 year old car written off for a bolt on wing, bumper shell and head lamp .. cat c
the same car but 1 year old with major structual and chassis damaged repaired by the insurance co ... nothing recorded ..