Everyday cars which are already starting to disappear
Discussion
greenarrow said:
Plenty of 307s still about...ditto Picassos and Citroen C4s....the HDI engine is very robust if serviced well. I remember Honest John saying he rated it better than the lauded VAG PD TDI engine back in the day and the French cars, aside from dodgy electrics don't seem to have many what I call "terminal" issues, such as the N47 BMW timing chain issue, the PD VAG injector issue which required a wholesale recall, or the many other expensive problems that you find if you check out the Honest John site or other internet tools.
But yes in the UK we seem to forgive the german brands pretty fair to middling reliability at best, whereas PSA and FIAT are always damned as being problematic.
many many +200k on the original clutch in the French clubs as well....the 2ltr TD/TDI engines are bomb proof as are the gearboxesBut yes in the UK we seem to forgive the german brands pretty fair to middling reliability at best, whereas PSA and FIAT are always damned as being problematic.
Jimmy Recard said:
I've just realised that all the Chrysler Neons have disappeared now
Was about to post this. Just 4 nationally on auto trader.I haven't seen a Citroen saxo for a long time.
Eta Saxos seem to have been covered... Hyundai Accent?
Edited by OMNIO on Monday 2nd January 20:43
Spitfire2 said:
Saw an Espero yesterday. Ratty one in Central Madrid. So no real rust problems.
My grandad had one brand new. GM J-body - mk2 Cavalier floorpan. Could be just about the most widely used floorpan ever?In fairness, a car surviving in Madrid doesn't mean that it won't rust in the UK
Just got a 190e for an everyday car, good ones are getting rare now and a few being important from Japan as there is a healthy following...Just like the E30 BMW that used to be everywhere then they all went into banger territory. Now heading into modern classic period so hope the decline will slow. Do get asked by Eastern Europeans every so often if I want to sell!
TheAngryDog said:
greenarrow said:
pre facelift E39s are fairly rare too. Ford Escorts of any age are rare now
I have seen quite a few lately, still going strong. My Y reg M5 is still going. Just.
This is not a new phenomenon.
Noticable from the mid 60's with Large Fords from the MkIII onwards. As soon as a new model came out, it seemed that the previous one was a rare as rocking horse s
t within 6 months. How many MkIV Fords are still about. The majority of the Mk II and III Zodiacs were snapped up by the 'rockers' and i use the term loosely and still show up at retro rallies now and again. Likewise any Japanese model over 7 years old, unless driven by the yoof of some northern cities and more to the point the styling doesnt not wear well. Also any of the Far East cheepos look awful when seen now.
Any Vauxhall of the 60-90 decades are also like a pork chop in a synagogue, but the steel qusality may have something to do with that. BMC models Princess/maxi/metro also missing in action
Noticable from the mid 60's with Large Fords from the MkIII onwards. As soon as a new model came out, it seemed that the previous one was a rare as rocking horse s
t within 6 months. How many MkIV Fords are still about. The majority of the Mk II and III Zodiacs were snapped up by the 'rockers' and i use the term loosely and still show up at retro rallies now and again. Likewise any Japanese model over 7 years old, unless driven by the yoof of some northern cities and more to the point the styling doesnt not wear well. Also any of the Far East cheepos look awful when seen now.Any Vauxhall of the 60-90 decades are also like a pork chop in a synagogue, but the steel qusality may have something to do with that. BMC models Princess/maxi/metro also missing in action
sutts said:
B2 Passat. Miss my GL5 with that lovely 5 cylinder - D294 MKM RIP.
Good call. I always wanted a Santana saloon version, just because it had the name of a slighty st band on the boot 
B3 Passats have disappeared. Still really want a GTI.
Really hard to even find a photo of a standard car... however, this looks amazing.
Trabi601 said:
Good call. I always wanted a Santana saloon version, just because it had the name of a slighty st band on the boot
B3 Passats have disappeared. Still really want a GTI.
Really hard to even find a photo of a standard car... however, this looks amazing.
I went in one in Minsk a few months ago that was a taxi. I saw quite a few of them theret band on the boot B3 Passats have disappeared. Still really want a GTI.
Really hard to even find a photo of a standard car... however, this looks amazing.
Baz2000 said:
Nissan Sunny, seem to have a much worse survival rate to its smaller sibling the Micra.
This shape used to be everywhere but I can't remember the last time I saw one -
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Just seen one today, an M reg green one parked up with L plates in Blackburn. I sometimes see a Peugeot 205 with a two digit, two letter private registration that must be worth a small fortune. This shape used to be everywhere but I can't remember the last time I saw one -
You generally have to look in villages where old folk live for older cars because they keep them running for ages.
Booths car park in Garstang is good for old cars such as a Peugeot 205, a Peugeot 309, a Vauxhall Carlton, a Mercedes 190E, a Mk II Volkwagen Polo, a Maestro van and an M reg BMW 3 Series Coupe you'll probably see there on a Saturday afternoon or knocking about round the village. Such cars are rare oddities on the road nowadays though.
I have noticed there are fewer grey import Japanese cars around nowadays. I still see them, a couple of local taxi drivers use Toyota Estimas, but the phase of importing used cars from Japan seems to have died out and the ones already here are disappearing.
Blakewater said:
I have noticed there are fewer grey import Japanese cars around nowadays. I still see them, a couple of local taxi drivers use Toyota Estimas, but the phase of importing used cars from Japan seems to have died out and the ones already here are disappearing.
Blame the EU obsession with diesels - the Japanese banned diesels from city centres over a decade ago, so most imports are relatively thirsty petrols.However, whilst we're no longer importing a lot of Japanese sports cars / hot saloons / hatches, there's a growing cult following behind large Japanese MPVs for converting into campervans. Started with the Bongo, but they're almost run out now, so the market has moved on to Elgrands and Alphards. There are still some Previa / Estimas coming over, as you can get some interesting models - hybrids and large capacity petrols which were never available in the UK.
(A late V6 Previa is quite a thing for shifting a family around!)
The Focus Mk1 still seems to be around everywhere , Mk 4 Astras plentiful . Surprised no one has mentioned the Mk1 Vectra a car once on every street corner is now few and far between Early Mk2 Vectras , Vectra (c) are beginning to thin out. Pug 405 and 406 saloons fast vanishing although the useful estates still common, sad to see the original Audi A4s vanishing as I thought they were the best shape. as mentioned before a lot of the older German stuff is shipped to Eastern Europe .
Early Renault Scenics, Rover 600/800s seem to of gone.
Early 2000s Hyundais and Kias made before the brands reputations improved don't seem to last beyond 10 years
Early Renault Scenics, Rover 600/800s seem to of gone.
Early 2000s Hyundais and Kias made before the brands reputations improved don't seem to last beyond 10 years
A whopping 16 according to hml.
My old dear had the chamade version which I pretty much learned to drive in. Still have fond memories of it even if it was the most unreliable car.... in the world (/Clarkson voice)
Edit to add: By contrast, the other car being considered at time of purchase was the mk2 golf gti 16v. I'd hazard that there's quite a few more than 16 examples still on the go.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 3rd January 05:14
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