Everyday cars which are already starting to disappear

[Richard-390a0]

Jimmy Recard said:

Yes, Lada is still around, turning out total ste.

As well as the Niva Urban. That would be the Field Urban.

I would quite like one, actually:

+1 for that Niva too!

[johnmacdonald]

Not seen a Scorpio Cosworth 24v for years. Had two of these great tail happy beasts!

[SuperHangOn]

Geekman said:

Do exported cars show as "dead" on howmanyleft? Just wondering if that may be the reason for Jaguars doing better than their German counterparts - huge amounts of older Audi A8s, BMW 7 series etc are bought by exporters who send them to areas such as Eastern Europe, whereas Jaguars don't seem to be anywhere near as desirable for them.

I can say from experience that if you sell a large ageing German car (particularly Mercs), chances are it will be shipped out to God knows where. Especially the case if you sell in/around London. It's the same for many Japanese 4x4's and pick-ups.

Some cars work hard as taxis, say a big Skoda, so won't last long despite running up lunar miles.

Edited by SuperHangOn on Monday 9th January 14:45

[Lester H]

battered said:

Meridius said:

And the rest will be in a Ford/Vauxhall crossing off the calendar until they are in a German car.

Without knowing that in many cases they already are! RHD Fiestas are apparently all made in Germany, so are any number of Vauxhall/Opels, and so on. But a VW Polo is better made because it's made in Germany.

Nice ironic comment. Yes Polos are well made, understated and attract middle class owners. But they are silly money. Collectively we swallowed the hype of old VW ads.

[Lester H]

Loyly said:

I was just thinking the other day that the mk5 Fiesta was absolutely ubiquitous just a short while ago and has now seemingly died out quite quickly and quietly. A '51 plate Fiesta Zetec S was my first car and my brother had a mk5 1.3 as his first car. Corsa C's have done a recent disappearing act too.

Yep. A lovely handler with great Yamaha designed engine in many, totally blighted by rot spreading from rear arches to "chassis" areas.

[Levin]

johnmacdonald said:

Not seen a Scorpio Cosworth 24v for years. Had two of these great tail happy beasts!

Quite a few have been broken for the 2.9 BOA V6 engines, which are a popular conversion for the Sierra and Capri. The BOB V6 is desirable as well but, from what I understand, not quite as straightforward a conversion.

Edited by Levin on Monday 9th January 19:14

[glazbagun]

I pass a Puma on the way to work each morning, but can't help notice they're dying a death. The Cougar seems even rarer.

[s m]

glazbagun said:

I pass a Puma on the way to work each morning, but can't help notice they're dying a death. The Cougar seems even rarer.

I think the Cougar was always a rarer model than the Puma

[Slow]

Levin said:

johnmacdonald said:

Not seen a Scorpio Cosworth 24v for years. Had two of these great tail happy beasts!

Quite a few have been broken for the 2.9 BOA V6 engines, which are a popular conversion for the Sierra and Capri. The BOB V6 is desirable as well but, from what I understand, not quite as straightforward a conversion.

Edited by Levin on Monday 9th January 19:14

Is it the same 2.9 V6 as the Granada Cosworth? Not of the age to know my old fords.

If so the engine is also a straight swap for Ford Bronco's of a certain era. Know this because my Mums boyfriends dad (hes 93 and replaced with a Merc S430 so likes his power still) had to sell his due to terminal rust and the guy wanted it for the engine to go in a Bronco.

[s m]

Slow said:

Levin said:

johnmacdonald said:

Not seen a Scorpio Cosworth 24v for years. Had two of these great tail happy beasts!

Quite a few have been broken for the 2.9 BOA V6 engines, which are a popular conversion for the Sierra and Capri. The BOB V6 is desirable as well but, from what I understand, not quite as straightforward a conversion.

Edited by Levin on Monday 9th January 19:14

Is it the same 2.9 V6 as the Granada Cosworth? Not of the age to know my old fords.

If so the engine is also a straight swap for Ford Bronco's of a certain era. Know this because my Mums boyfriends dad (hes 93 and replaced with a Merc S430 so likes his power still) had to sell his due to terminal rust and the guy wanted it for the engine to go in a Bronco.

Yes, Granada Cosworth had the BOA lump
Be a substantial power boost for a Bronco

[Jimmy Recard]

For a Bronco? I'm not sure on that. The big six and V8s are much more suitable for it

ETA: Definitely a good power boost for a Bronco II and it would fit straight into one of those I believe

Edited by Jimmy Recard on Monday 9th January 21:01

[anonymous-user]

KarlMac said:

This is worse that when someone said the i8 was pooping out a 911. Cannot be unseen.

Totally agree with your comment

https://flic.kr/p/QaVetb

And what should I find parked next to me at the station this evening?



Pictures were taken in the dark so don't really do the "modifications" justice, particularly the stickers on the back. I really do wonder what goes on inside the minds of people who buy one of these things, cover it in cheap looking chrome-y tat, add a few stickers of cobras and st, and then put on a stetson and drive it to Coventry Rail Station. Only just noticed it has a PT cruiser related numberplate too.

The only question is: Elvis Impersonator, Paedophile, or both?

[Jimmy Recard]

That PT Cruiser is dreadful

Very special people do that to them

[talksthetorque]

dme123 said:

And what should I find parked next to me at the station this evening?

A Volvo C70 and an empty space?

[Jimmy Recard]

[s m]

Jimmy Recard said:

For a Bronco? I'm not sure on that. The big six and V8s are much more suitable for it

ETA: Definitely a good power boost for a Bronco II and it would fit straight into one of those I believe

Edited by Jimmy Recard on Monday 9th January 21:01

Yes , I presumed he meant a Bronco ll as they only had 140 ish bhp from their Cologne

195 would be a decent hike with a BOA

[Yipper]

wemorgan said:

seeing any +15yr old car is quite rare - basically any car that predates the current vehicle registration number format

Yes, pre-2001 cars only make up around 5% of all UK car sales today in 2017. Last-century cars are getting rare.

[Jimmy Recard]

s m said:

Yes , I presumed he meant a Bronco ll as they only had 140 ish bhp from their Cologne

195 would be a decent hike with a BOA

I was being a bit dense, I wrote it and then suddenly realised it must be a Bronco II

[s m]

Jimmy Recard said:

s m said:

Yes , I presumed he meant a Bronco ll as they only had 140 ish bhp from their Cologne

195 would be a decent hike with a BOA

I was being a bit dense, I wrote it and then suddenly realised it must be a Bronco II

A lot of BOAs were snapped up for Capris or even 3-dr Xr4is as well

[Car_Nut]

I have been trying to get a handle on the impact of vehicle exports on the survival figures, as far as I have been able to ascertain in a trawl through Government statistics, there is nothing that enables us to tie exports to makes or models. Indeed the most useful thing that I found so far is this 2011 report: https://www.oeko.de/oekodoc/1114/2011-005-en.pdf. This puts the scale of UK used car exports as 52k pa within the EU and 27k pa outside the EU: 79k vehicles pa is not a huge impact, and if I interpret the report correctly, the majority of the vehicles exported, within the EU at least, are in excess of ten years old and that a large proportion of these are never registered in their new state, i.e. they are broken for parts (after all why else would anyone want an RHD car). So in very many cases export = the death of the car.

To put this into perspective Germany is reported as exporting 1.8M used cars per annum.

Anyway I have also carried out the big sum and have produced the survival curve for all cars on the UK's roads or that are SORNed that were constructed between 2001 and 2015, I will call this the survival rate reference curve:



Considering the amount of data involved, I am surprised that the curve is not smooth - any ideas? My best guess at present is the that 2008-9 financial crush changed the car type mix (as we have already seen there is a disparity in the survival rates between different types of cars).

To return to our reference year of 2003, the big numbers are as follows:

First Registrations: 2,646,056
2003 Built cars surviving: 1,822,891
2003 Built cars still taxed: 126,729
2003 Built cars SORNed: 1,696,162

Surviving: 68.89%
Taxed: 64.10%
SORN: 4.79%

Edited by Car_Nut on Monday 9th January 22:42

Edited by Car_Nut on Monday 9th January 22:44