RE: Shed Of The Week: Saab 9-5 Aero Estate
Discussion
Arnold Cunningham said:
Agreed - but let's not pretend a 9-5 Aero Hot is in the same league as an M5 (or RS6) either. Absolutely blindingly nowhere near. But it was never meant to be.
On the other hand your not going to get a working m5 or rs6 for shed money are you.JustinF said:
93 t is not a 9-5 Aero, thats a 318i not an M5
Basing your experience of a Focus 2.0 and using it to disparage an RS is more than a bit s
t.
Basing your experience of a Focus 2.0 and using it to disparage an RS is more than a bit s
t.If you want a fast comy barge to whisk the family around etc what else can you get for a grand .
griffin dai said:
Bet the indicators worked on the SAAB though 
......and people let you out of junctions
It is noticeable driving a Saab how I'm generally treated with decency even in Bradford. An Aero has a certain excitement factor, not that much unless effortlessly overtaking, but certainly more than most Audi's. It has ride comfort too, unlike an s-line Audi.......and people let you out of junctions
otolith said:
sleepera6 said:
It was st end of.
I test drove a 95 Aero before by buying an Audi. It was mind numbingly dull.
Not an uncommon or unjustified opinion, but if you thought that about it why the hell did you buy it?t end of.I test drove a 95 Aero before by buying an Audi. It was mind numbingly dull.
), a Vauxhall Astra SRi or a Saab? I bought the Saab with all the hype, I should of bought the Astra!I had a look at a 95 afterwards for no reason. It was just s bad.
sleepera6 said:
I bought a 93 Turbo first for £400, I was going to buy another Volvo as my first was fantastic for £400 (so I do like Swedish cars) - it was sold, went to see an Audi A3 turbo, that had an airbag failure ( ), a Vauxhall Astra SRi or a Saab? I bought the Saab with all the hype, I should of bought the Astra!
I had a look at a 95 afterwards for no reason. It was just s bad.
Are you actually going to tell us why you thought they were so bad, or just continue stating an opinion with no substance? I mean, I could tell you how I had an Astra as a rental for a day recently and it was the most awful rental car I've had, and in fact one of the worst cars I've driven in some time. I could go on to say how awful Astras are because of that one experience. But I won't, because that would just be narrow minded. ), a Vauxhall Astra SRi or a Saab? I bought the Saab with all the hype, I should of bought the Astra!I had a look at a 95 afterwards for no reason. It was just s bad.
sleepera6 said:
I bought a 93 Turbo first for £400, I was going to buy another Volvo as my first was fantastic for £400 (so I do like Swedish cars) - it was sold, went to see an Audi A3 turbo, that had an airbag failure ( ), a Vauxhall Astra SRi or a Saab? I bought the Saab with all the hype, I should of bought the Astra!
I had a look at a 95 afterwards for no reason. It was just s bad.
Should have not should of. ), a Vauxhall Astra SRi or a Saab? I bought the Saab with all the hype, I should of bought the Astra!I had a look at a 95 afterwards for no reason. It was just s bad.
If you really want to learn how to appreciate a Saab then brush up your grammar first.
I'm on my 8th Saab after 10 or so Volvos so I might be biased. Although I have experienced failures such as Di/CPS/sludging/engine replacement/turbo failure I can't think of another make I like which offers the bang for buck and comfort. Yes 9-3's and 9-5's can be made to handle to a reasonable standard.
I do love these old SAABs. A brilliant SOTW.
Had a 2003 9-5 2.0t Artic Estate a few years back. Bought it for £400 with a short MOT.
Sometimes used to struggle to get from 2nd to 3rd gear, but there was a knack to it so was never a major issue. And it used to puff white smoke on start up.
It sailed through it's MOT and was totally reliable for the time I owned it, despite reading up on common issues. Very smooth drive and returned 35mpg.
Would love a manual 9-5 Aero HOT.
Had a 2003 9-5 2.0t Artic Estate a few years back. Bought it for £400 with a short MOT.
Sometimes used to struggle to get from 2nd to 3rd gear, but there was a knack to it so was never a major issue. And it used to puff white smoke on start up.
It sailed through it's MOT and was totally reliable for the time I owned it, despite reading up on common issues. Very smooth drive and returned 35mpg.
Would love a manual 9-5 Aero HOT.
Edited by pSyCoSiS on Wednesday 11th January 20:48
Well of course not, so lets not compare it to one.
I have of course put my money where my mouth is, in both cases.
The Saab has been glorious value for money, on both a £ per mile and £ per smile basis. I've had other stuff that's made me smile more, and I've had other stuff cost me less - but for shed money (especially compared to some of the tripe that occasionally gets posted up), it's right up there.
I have of course put my money where my mouth is, in both cases.
The Saab has been glorious value for money, on both a £ per mile and £ per smile basis. I've had other stuff that's made me smile more, and I've had other stuff cost me less - but for shed money (especially compared to some of the tripe that occasionally gets posted up), it's right up there.
egor110 said:
On the other hand your not going to get a working m5 or rs6 for shed money are you.
If you want a fast comy barge to whisk the family around etc what else can you get for a grand .
If you want a fast comy barge to whisk the family around etc what else can you get for a grand .
egor110 said:
Arnold Cunningham said:
Agreed - but let's not pretend a 9-5 Aero Hot is in the same league as an M5 (or RS6) either. Absolutely blindingly nowhere near. But it was never meant to be.
On the other hand your not going to get a working m5 or rs6 for shed money are you.JustinF said:
93 t is not a 9-5 Aero, thats a 318i not an M5
Basing your experience of a Focus 2.0 and using it to disparage an RS is more than a bit st.
Basing your experience of a Focus 2.0 and using it to disparage an RS is more than a bit s
t.If you want a fast comy barge to whisk the family around etc what else can you get for a grand .
mywifeshusband said:
sleepera6 said:
I bought a 93 Turbo first for £400, I was going to buy another Volvo as my first was fantastic for £400 (so I do like Swedish cars) - it was sold, went to see an Audi A3 turbo, that had an airbag failure ( ), a Vauxhall Astra SRi or a Saab? I bought the Saab with all the hype, I should of bought the Astra!
I had a look at a 95 afterwards for no reason. It was just s bad.
Should have not should of. ), a Vauxhall Astra SRi or a Saab? I bought the Saab with all the hype, I should of bought the Astra!I had a look at a 95 afterwards for no reason. It was just s bad.
If you really want to learn how to appreciate a Saab then brush up your grammar first.
I'm on my 8th Saab after 10 or so Volvos so I might be biased. Although I have experienced failures such as Di/CPS/sludging/engine replacement/turbo failure I can't think of another make I like which offers the bang for buck and comfort. Yes 9-3's and 9-5's can be made to handle to a reasonable standard.
Edited by PoopahScoopah on Thursday 12th January 13:05
morgrp said:
A Volvo T5 - which is what I would have - bit more character and I could live with the marginally higher fuel consumption - in fact I do because I currently run a T5, drive it every single day and its ace
But I think you are going to struggle to find a T5 for a grand or less that is not a complete dog. My 2001 T5 is quite rough around the egdes now. It's only just ticked past 100k but it's lived most/all of it's life in town and the terrible road conditions have taken their toll on it. It's at that stage now where I need to sink so much money in to it to bring it back to any kind of reasonable standard that it's just not worth it. Don't get me wrong, it's still completely reliable and reasonably brisk, but it's very much a shed. I don't see a huge amount of S60 or V70 T5s for sale these days but as I said, anything around £1k is likely to be pretty nasty. There's always the exceptions though.Agree again - what's going on with this thread! Volvo's hold their value OK, but you can see why.
I looked up my parents old 740GL the other day. It was a 1992 car they bought from new and traded in at 3 years old. On it's last MOT it ticked past 323K and was still having 10+K a year put on it.
I looked up my parents old 740GL the other day. It was a 1992 car they bought from new and traded in at 3 years old. On it's last MOT it ticked past 323K and was still having 10+K a year put on it.
Here comes the comment that Saabs can be made to handle 
A fking Daewoo Matiz can be made to handle. With other cars it comes out of the box.
And they can be made to humiliate M5's...
But:
- An M5 has had millions of pounds spent on it, with excellent engineering. A modified Saab, is a rolling turd with a few trick parts that are probably worth more than what the car is worth.
- Take a Saab to the Nur and an M5 and see what gets more attention. The public don't care, it's a cheap POS.
- The BMW driver will be sitting in a quality car with a lovely interior. You'll be sitting in a box covered with hard plastics.
- The BMW is regarded as one of the besf cars in history. The Saab - even a Vauxhall got better reviews. The Vectra was probably better than tge 9-5. The Astra was a better drive than the 9-3.
- Value. The BMW E39 M5 and E60 M5 have depreciated little in the past 5 years. The E39 has appreciated. The Saab is ultimately worth £75.
And why I hated it?
- Lifeless steering. It felt like a boat.
- Peformance. Terrific....
- MPG : woeful.
- Rust : The wheel arches were rotten after 6 months.
- Value :
Listed for sale : £350
Listed for sale : £300
Listed for sale : £200
At that point the MOT and Tax expired (as I hated it and I never drove it) and I got bored of seeing that turd on my driveway so I sold it for £75. It was scrapped on Monday.
Sheds. After 10 years, it was time to say goodbye. I blew £25k on cars in a couple of months after that.
A f
king Daewoo Matiz can be made to handle. With other cars it comes out of the box.And they can be made to humiliate M5's...
But:
- An M5 has had millions of pounds spent on it, with excellent engineering. A modified Saab, is a rolling turd with a few trick parts that are probably worth more than what the car is worth.
- Take a Saab to the Nur and an M5 and see what gets more attention. The public don't care, it's a cheap POS.
- The BMW driver will be sitting in a quality car with a lovely interior. You'll be sitting in a box covered with hard plastics.
- The BMW is regarded as one of the besf cars in history. The Saab - even a Vauxhall got better reviews. The Vectra was probably better than tge 9-5. The Astra was a better drive than the 9-3.
- Value. The BMW E39 M5 and E60 M5 have depreciated little in the past 5 years. The E39 has appreciated. The Saab is ultimately worth £75.
And why I hated it?
- Lifeless steering. It felt like a boat.
- Peformance. Terrific....
- MPG : woeful.
- Rust : The wheel arches were rotten after 6 months.
- Value :
Listed for sale : £350
Listed for sale : £300
Listed for sale : £200
At that point the MOT and Tax expired (as I hated it and I never drove it) and I got bored of seeing that turd on my driveway so I sold it for £75. It was scrapped on Monday.
Sheds. After 10 years, it was time to say goodbye. I blew £25k on cars in a couple of months after that.
egor110 said:
So you scrapped your saab and got a audi allroader and a range rover.
fk me your either very brave or stupid, both of them have well known faults
No, I bought a Allroad and a posh Toyota.f
k me your either very brave or stupid, both of them have well known faultsThe allroad gets driven, I pamper it at the main stealers to keep up it's FASH and do the small jobs at my VAG Specialists. I do about 6000 miles in it. It's not a C5 either, so it's reliable.
The P38 I bought in March 2003. In nearly 14 years I have done 50k. It's going to be rebuilt.
The Lexus has been driven hard. 30k now, 2014 model. Power boot, power mirrors, heated windows all round, leather sport seats, leather dash, premium sound, pro nav with remote dial. Always above 45mpg.
sleepera6 said:
No, I bought a Allroad and a posh Toyota.
The allroad gets driven, I pamper it at the main stealers to keep up it's FASH and do the small jobs at my VAG Specialists. I do about 6000 miles in it. It's not a C5 either, so it's reliable.
The P38 I bought in March 2003. In nearly 14 years I have done 50k. It's going to be rebuilt.
So the Saab had lifeless steering and you improved that by getting an Audi. The Saab was knackered so you bought a RR P38 which needs rebuilding.The allroad gets driven, I pamper it at the main stealers to keep up it's FASH and do the small jobs at my VAG Specialists. I do about 6000 miles in it. It's not a C5 either, so it's reliable.
The P38 I bought in March 2003. In nearly 14 years I have done 50k. It's going to be rebuilt.
Ok we get it, you just hate the Saab.
sleepera6 said:
egor110 said:
So you scrapped your saab and got a audi allroader and a range rover.
fk me your either very brave or stupid, both of them have well known faults
No, I bought a Allroad and a posh Toyota.f
k me your either very brave or stupid, both of them have well known faultsThe allroad gets driven, I pamper it at the main stealers to keep up it's FASH and do the small jobs at my VAG Specialists. I do about 6000 miles in it. It's not a C5 either, so it's reliable.
The P38 I bought in March 2003. In nearly 14 years I have done 50k. It's going to be rebuilt.
The Lexus has been driven hard. 30k now, 2014 model. Power boot, power mirrors, heated windows all round, leather sport seats, leather dash, premium sound, pro nav with remote dial. Always above 45mpg.
For a maximum of a grand what else would you get to to hustle the family around in comfort with a decent turn of speed.
Re the handling i do get what your saying , i stepped out of a light nimble clio cup into my aero but it's a big heavy old beast made to cover vast miles , something i wouldn't fancy in my old clio cup.
sleepera6 said:
Here comes the comment that Saabs can be made to handle
A fking Daewoo Matiz can be made to handle. With other cars it comes out of the box.
And they can be made to humiliate M5's...
But:
- An M5 has had millions of pounds spent on it, with excellent engineering. A modified Saab, is a rolling turd with a few trick parts that are probably worth more than what the car is worth.
- Take a Saab to the Nur and an M5 and see what gets more attention. The public don't care, it's a cheap POS.
- The BMW driver will be sitting in a quality car with a lovely interior. You'll be sitting in a box covered with hard plastics.
- The BMW is regarded as one of the besf cars in history. The Saab - even a Vauxhall got better reviews. The Vectra was probably better than tge 9-5. The Astra was a better drive than the 9-3.
- Value. The BMW E39 M5 and E60 M5 have depreciated little in the past 5 years. The E39 has appreciated. The Saab is ultimately worth £75.
And why I hated it?
- Lifeless steering. It felt like a boat.
- Peformance. Terrific....
- MPG : woeful.
- Rust : The wheel arches were rotten after 6 months.
- Value :
Listed for sale : £350
Listed for sale : £300
Listed for sale : £200
At that point the MOT and Tax expired (as I hated it and I never drove it) and I got bored of seeing that turd on my driveway so I sold it for £75. It was scrapped on Monday.
Sheds. After 10 years, it was time to say goodbye. I blew £25k on cars in a couple of months after that.
On the other hand most E39 M5s I've seen are driven by medallion Grandads to and from the local council estate. Nice car once but I don't want people leaning through my open window to try and score some puff. A f
king Daewoo Matiz can be made to handle. With other cars it comes out of the box.And they can be made to humiliate M5's...
But:
- An M5 has had millions of pounds spent on it, with excellent engineering. A modified Saab, is a rolling turd with a few trick parts that are probably worth more than what the car is worth.
- Take a Saab to the Nur and an M5 and see what gets more attention. The public don't care, it's a cheap POS.
- The BMW driver will be sitting in a quality car with a lovely interior. You'll be sitting in a box covered with hard plastics.
- The BMW is regarded as one of the besf cars in history. The Saab - even a Vauxhall got better reviews. The Vectra was probably better than tge 9-5. The Astra was a better drive than the 9-3.
- Value. The BMW E39 M5 and E60 M5 have depreciated little in the past 5 years. The E39 has appreciated. The Saab is ultimately worth £75.
And why I hated it?
- Lifeless steering. It felt like a boat.
- Peformance. Terrific....
- MPG : woeful.
- Rust : The wheel arches were rotten after 6 months.
- Value :
Listed for sale : £350
Listed for sale : £300
Listed for sale : £200
At that point the MOT and Tax expired (as I hated it and I never drove it) and I got bored of seeing that turd on my driveway so I sold it for £75. It was scrapped on Monday.
Sheds. After 10 years, it was time to say goodbye. I blew £25k on cars in a couple of months after that.
Saabs, you obviously get them or you don't.
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