RE: Shed Of The Week: Saab 9-5 Aero Estate

[hora]

How can you compare a M5 to a 9-5?

Both of a certain vintage will have age related issues.

A newer M5 was way above 9-5 retail when new. Totally different.

What next?

[anonymous-user]

mcdjl said:

sleepera6 said:

No, I bought a Allroad and a posh Toyota.
The allroad gets driven, I pamper it at the main stealers to keep up it's FASH and do the small jobs at my VAG Specialists. I do about 6000 miles in it. It's not a C5 either, so it's reliable.

The P38 I bought in March 2003. In nearly 14 years I have done 50k. It's going to be rebuilt.

So the Saab had lifeless steering and you improved that by getting an Audi. The Saab was knackered so you bought a RR P38 which needs rebuilding.
Ok we get it, you just hate the Saab.

Can you not read? I bought the P38 in 2003. It even says in the quote. I bought a Saab in March. I bought a Lexus and an Audi to replace the st-mobile.

[anonymous-user]

wormus said:

sleepera6 said:

Here comes the comment that Saabs can be made to handle
A fking Daewoo Matiz can be made to handle. With other cars it comes out of the box.
And they can be made to humiliate M5's...
But:

- An M5 has had millions of pounds spent on it, with excellent engineering. A modified Saab, is a rolling turd with a few trick parts that are probably worth more than what the car is worth.

- Take a Saab to the Nur and an M5 and see what gets more attention. The public don't care, it's a cheap POS.

- The BMW driver will be sitting in a quality car with a lovely interior. You'll be sitting in a box covered with hard plastics.

- The BMW is regarded as one of the besf cars in history. The Saab - even a Vauxhall got better reviews. The Vectra was probably better than tge 9-5. The Astra was a better drive than the 9-3.

- Value. The BMW E39 M5 and E60 M5 have depreciated little in the past 5 years. The E39 has appreciated. The Saab is ultimately worth £75.


And why I hated it?

- Lifeless steering. It felt like a boat.
- Peformance. Terrific....
- MPG : woeful.
- Rust : The wheel arches were rotten after 6 months.

- Value :
Listed for sale : £350
Listed for sale : £300
Listed for sale : £200

At that point the MOT and Tax expired (as I hated it and I never drove it) and I got bored of seeing that turd on my driveway so I sold it for £75. It was scrapped on Monday.

Sheds. After 10 years, it was time to say goodbye. I blew £25k on cars in a couple of months after that.

On the other hand most E39 M5s I've seen are driven by medallion Grandads to and from the local council estate. Nice car once but I don't want people leaning through my open window to try and score some puff.

Saabs, you obviously get them or you don't.

Of course! You are talking out of your arse.

[anonymous-user]

sleepera6 said:

Of course! You are talking out of your arse.

My mistake. Even though the thread is about Saabs, we should instead discuss the merits of knackered old Beemer chav wagons instead.

[mcdjl]

sleepera6 said:

Can you not read? I bought the P38 in 2003. It even says in the quote. I bought a Saab in March. I bought a Lexus and an Audi to replace the st-mobile.

I apologise, You've had a knackered p38 RR for 14 years which you've clearly been unable to drive since its only done 50,000 miles in that time, so you're having it rebuilt.

[egor110]

mcdjl said:

sleepera6 said:

Can you not read? I bought the P38 in 2003. It even says in the quote. I bought a Saab in March. I bought a Lexus and an Audi to replace the st-mobile.

I apologise, You've had a knackered p38 RR for 14 years which you've clearly been unable to drive since its only done 50,000 miles in that time, so you're having it rebuilt.

Essentially he bought a rusting saab and tried to sell , however nobody wanted to buy his rusty saab so he scrapped it.

Meanwhile lots of people are having more luck buying aeros for not much money , the not much money is the key point.

[JustinF]

hora said:

How can you compare a M5 to a 9-5?

Both of a certain vintage will have age related issues.

A newer M5 was way above 9-5 retail when new. Totally different.

What next?

When I mentioned it it wasn't to compare them as comparable cars for the certainly are not both oranges; my comparison was more about people who have owned a run of the mill boggo down range version and feel it qualifies them to hold an opinion on the top of the range model.
It was a lazy comparison but the point stands.

[egor110]

JustinF said:

hora said:

How can you compare a M5 to a 9-5?

Both of a certain vintage will have age related issues.

A newer M5 was way above 9-5 retail when new. Totally different.

What next?

When I mentioned it it wasn't to compare them as comparable cars for the certainly are not both oranges; my comparison was more about people who have owned a run of the mill boggo down range version and feel it qualifies them to hold an opinion on the top of the range model.
It was a lazy comparison but the point stands.

The aero never was the run of the mill boggo down range version though was it.

Your point about the handling stands , it's not a nimble b road sort of car but then i don't think it's ever claimed to be that.

Moaning about the mpg , what exactly did you think you'd get out of a 2,3 turbo charged heavy car?

[Master Bean]

My car accelerates quite fast. The handling is rubbish and the brakes are inadequate.

[JustinF]

egor110 said:

JustinF said:

hora said:

How can you compare a M5 to a 9-5?

Both of a certain vintage will have age related issues.

A newer M5 was way above 9-5 retail when new. Totally different.

What next?

When I mentioned it it wasn't to compare them as comparable cars for they certainly are not both oranges; my comparison was more about people who have owned a run of the mill boggo down range version and feel it qualifies them to hold an opinion on the top of the range model.
It was a lazy comparison but the point stands.

The aero never was the run of the mill boggo down range version though was it.

Your point about the handling stands, it's not a nimble b road sort of car but then i don't think it's ever claimed to be that.

Moaning about the mpg , what exactly did you think you'd get out of a 2,3 turbo charged heavy car?

Read it again, use comprehension this time, I made no point about MPG or B roads ability/handling; frankly you come across as a bit mental.

Edited by JustinF on Friday 13th January 03:17

[hora]

Master Bean said:

My car accelerates quite fast. The handling is rubbish and the brakes are inadequate.

Not just me on the brakes then

I thought mine needed a full rebleed etc etc

[996jim]

Good god. 5 owners, 153000 miles, L.P.G conversion, dodgy gearbox, corrosion, electrical problems and it's green! If you really want to waste £1000 just send it to my wife. Cheers.

[anonymous-user]

So many mentalists here

Okay, my mint Range Rover is now kanckered? Because I keep it pristine and want to replace the engine and suspension to keep it in tip top condition?
And the saab (it doesn't deserve a capital letter) was rusty? Because I bought it in near perfect condition, and then it ate it's wheel arches in 6 months?
And my Audi? Which has everything you could possibly need and a V8 to keep me entertained?

All I can say is...

You mad bro?

(P.S Stick to your Vauxhall and see a psychiatrist)

[anonymous-user]

I see you're too embarrassed to put your Saabxhall/Vauxhaab on your Garage

[anonymous-user]

996jim said:

Good god. 5 owners, 153000 miles, L.P.G conversion, dodgy gearbox, corrosion, electrical problems and it's green! If you really want to waste £1000 just send it to my wife. Cheers.

Just wait for the mentalists on here to claim it is better than your 458 Italia.
Nice car

[egor110]

sleepera6 said:

I see you're too embarrassed to put your Saabxhall/Vauxhaab on your Garage

How do you get a car on your garage ?

the point is the aero is now a cheap car , nobody here is saying it's better than a m5 or rs however for sub £1000 there still decent value for money.

Out of interest what mpg we're you getting in your Saab and what did you expect to get bearing in mind it's got a 2.3 turbo charged engine and it's a big heavy estate ?

Even your allroader has quite the reputation for failed suspension so it's hardly a prime example of a reliable car , but as long as you like it that's all that matters.

[hora]

sleepera6 said:

I see you're too embarrassed to put your Saabxhall/Vauxhaab on your Garage

OK. I've owned and driven alot of cars. I've had 3 Subaru's, etc etc.

Today I put my Aero through a MOT. It passed no advisories. Going round corners it doesn't lean at all. It blends stiffness with comfort over bumps still. I've driven cars that really grate my teeth on anything but new tarmac. This is nowhere near that. It will never be a B road weapon but then I don't think you own one. Could you stop trolling now please.

The Saab 9-5 is a great car, quirky, well made (sorry the Allroad is not). RIP Saab. Whoever buys my Saab (it's going in as a PX) will love it.

[egor110]

hora said:

OK. I've owned and driven alot of cars. I've had 3 Subaru's, etc etc.

Today I put my Aero through a MOT. It passed no advisories. Going round corners it doesn't lean at all. It blends stiffness with comfort over bumps still. I've driven cars that really grate my teeth on anything but new tarmac. This is nowhere near that. It will never be a B road weapon but then I don't think you own one. Could you stop trolling now please.

The Saab 9-5 is a great car, quirky, well made (sorry the Allroad is not). RIP Saab. Whoever buys my Saab (it's going in as a PX) will love it.

How come you mot'd it just to px it?

How much have the garage offered you ? this is the ideal place to shift a aero with a years mot.

[hora]

It had 2months Mot left and they wanted 6months+ for PX. I was confident that it would pass as mechanically it's great. Like I said earlier I don't understand PH's review weaknesses. Aero's have a list for coilpacks.

[apc321]

Bought mine a little over a year ago for 1700 pounds with 120,000 miles.

Its a 2003 5 speed automatic with paddle shift.

Ive done about 15,000 miles in that time. The only major item I have had to replace is the DI cassette.

Worth getting someone with "Tech2" to sort any factory customer options (such as automatic door locking) that you may not be happy with.

I would say on average im getting 26 to 28 mpg driving on a mixture of roads. I think this is pretty reasonable for a car of this type.

The seats, driving position and general driver ergonomics are fantastic.

Very good xenon headlights.

Excellent load carrying capacity even with the rear seats up.

The ride and handling balance are good for a big car.

I do quite a lot of town driving so definitely wanted an automatic gearbox.

Sport mode on the automatic gearbox seems rather pointless. Better to leave in normal mode and let the torque do the work.

The ability to "lock" into say fourth gear on a motorway using the paddle shift is very good.

Really makes it much easier to drive smoothly on these type of roads, providing a certain amount of engine braking too.

I have never had a car before where you can drive 100 miles on the motorway without changing gear once. The torque spread of the engine is very impressive. (Will pull smoothly in fourth from 40mph).

Would be lovely if the engine sounded like a v8, but bearing in mind the combination of reasonable economy and such a wide power band from a modest 2.3 litre engine I think it would be unfair to criticise the car on this point.

Traction in both dry and wet conditions are much better than I had expected before I bought the car.

Nice to drive a car thats a bit different to all the Audis and BMWs on the roads.