anybody here actually own a Tesla?
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Lady we know loves her Tesla but says it's a mare planning longer trips. They have a house in France and have to make major detours to charge. Great for trips around town - a Leaf would be a cheaper option.
Problem with all these things no infrastructure and no standardisation. Tesla supercharging points are very quick to put juice back in but I'm not sure we want Tesla to take over the country with their charging points. Bit like Betamax vs VHS but a bit more modern. It's a fad.
Problem with all these things no infrastructure and no standardisation. Tesla supercharging points are very quick to put juice back in but I'm not sure we want Tesla to take over the country with their charging points. Bit like Betamax vs VHS but a bit more modern. It's a fad.
EazyDuz said:
I'd much rather spend 5 minutes at a petrol station every week than a combined 10+ minutes of plugging/unplugging an electric car every day, having cabling on your drive (if no garage) which you have to pull out and put away again.
Sorry, it just doesnt work as an advantage
I'd hate to think how long it takes you to plug in your hoover.Sorry, it just doesnt work as an advantage
It takes me under 15 seconds to plug my Leaf into my charger when I get home, and another 15 to unplug it in the morning and put the cable back in the charger holster.
The only inconvenience is that occasionally I struggle to find the socket and kind of rummage around until it slots in, which adds about another 15 seconds on to the plugging in. But I've probably lost 50x that time over the course of my life trying to plug in USB plugs.
rxe said:
jamoor said:
Well how did you end up in Maidenhead with 25 mi of charge? Where are you coming from and going to?
That's easy.I was heading for a meeting at Maidenhead, down the M40. I could have stopped at the Oxford supercharger, but the traffic was pants around Birmingham and I was already late, so wasn't going to stop for 20 minutes. I'm now in Maidenhead with 50 miles on the clock. I want to go and stay the night with some friends 10 miles South of Oxford. Next day I am going to Cheltenham.
Looks like I can got onto a 7 kW charger in Maidenhead, which will take 8 hours to fill me up. I could drive to Slough where there are 22 kW chargers, that's only 4 hours. Or I could drive to Reading and get a 30 minute charge.
It's just not that appealing compared to filling the car with diesel in 5 minutes and then not having to worry about it for 600 miles. When there is a 20 minute charger pretty much everywhere, it might become appealing, but not right now.
As it happens, a Tesla would be ideal for either me or my other half - my commute is 7 miles each way, rarely make trips by car longer than 150 miles (airport runs). Other half's commute is 30 each way.
However, I enjoy topless motoring too much to get rid of the MX5 and we need an estate car (dogs, plus horse stuff..).
EazyDuz said:
How lazy do you have to be to consider a petrol station a chore you could do without?
I'd much rather spend 5 minutes at a petrol station every week than a combined 10+ minutes of plugging/unplugging an electric car every day, having cabling on your drive (if no garage) which you have to pull out and put away again.
Sorry, it just doesnt work as an advantage
I'd love it. Nearest petrol station is 5 miles away and opposite direction to my commute. Plus it shuts by 8pm. Other option is a 30 mile round trip to a different station..I'd much rather spend 5 minutes at a petrol station every week than a combined 10+ minutes of plugging/unplugging an electric car every day, having cabling on your drive (if no garage) which you have to pull out and put away again.
Sorry, it just doesnt work as an advantage
Is there anyone who actually wants to visit a petrol station?
I could happily never visit one again given the choice.
Most people do about 12 miles a day on average, and could easily go 2 weeks between recharging at home so its not like you'd have to plug it in every day either.
Some people do more, some people do heroic long trips every day. EV's are not quite suited to road warriors yet. At some point charging will be more popular and faster. Honestly cant see the size of batteries getting much larger than the p100, too big heavy and expensive to make it worthwhile for 99% of the market.
I could happily never visit one again given the choice.
Most people do about 12 miles a day on average, and could easily go 2 weeks between recharging at home so its not like you'd have to plug it in every day either.
Some people do more, some people do heroic long trips every day. EV's are not quite suited to road warriors yet. At some point charging will be more popular and faster. Honestly cant see the size of batteries getting much larger than the p100, too big heavy and expensive to make it worthwhile for 99% of the market.
EazyDuz said:
rscott said:
I'd love it. Nearest petrol station is 5 miles away and opposite direction to my commute. Plus it shuts by 8pm. Other option is a 30 mile round trip to a different station..
Top tip: Move out of the sticksWe're an hour by train from London, so civilisation isn't that far away.
I have a LPG car as well that can do 350km in one fill, I constantly run out of LPG even I count the remaining KM's , just because there are not much filling stations around, what happens when I run out of LPG? Nothing, I keep driving on petrol automaticly.
What happens when I run out of charge in Tesla? I'm fuked...
What happens when I run out of charge in Tesla? I'm fuked...
rxe said:
That's easy.
I was heading for a meeting at Maidenhead, down the M40. I could have stopped at the Oxford supercharger, but the traffic was pants around Birmingham and I was already late, so wasn't going to stop for 20 minutes. I'm now in Maidenhead with 50 miles on the clock. I want to go and stay the night with some friends 10 miles South of Oxford. Next day I am going to Cheltenham.
Looks like I can got onto a 7 kW charger in Maidenhead, which will take 8 hours to fill me up. I could drive to Slough where there are 22 kW chargers, that's only 4 hours. Or I could drive to Reading and get a 30 minute charge.
It's just not that appealing compared to filling the car with diesel in 5 minutes and then not having to worry about it for 600 miles. When there is a 20 minute charger pretty much everywhere, it might become appealing, but not right now.
Why not just plug it in your friends place overnight?I was heading for a meeting at Maidenhead, down the M40. I could have stopped at the Oxford supercharger, but the traffic was pants around Birmingham and I was already late, so wasn't going to stop for 20 minutes. I'm now in Maidenhead with 50 miles on the clock. I want to go and stay the night with some friends 10 miles South of Oxford. Next day I am going to Cheltenham.
Looks like I can got onto a 7 kW charger in Maidenhead, which will take 8 hours to fill me up. I could drive to Slough where there are 22 kW chargers, that's only 4 hours. Or I could drive to Reading and get a 30 minute charge.
It's just not that appealing compared to filling the car with diesel in 5 minutes and then not having to worry about it for 600 miles. When there is a 20 minute charger pretty much everywhere, it might become appealing, but not right now.
Plus where did you start your journey? Birmingham?
Edited by jamoor on Wednesday 11th January 00:40
It's 8 miles per hour from a standard wall socket which costs around £3 for about 90 miles of range. I guess if you plugged in at a friends house overnight it'd be polite to offer them a fiver for the electricity.
Seems to me EV's aren't suitable for everyone at the moment, the fast charging network just isn't big enough to be really convenient and any real ramp up in numbers of EV's will see queues at the charges as they are seeing already in the US.
The only EV with decent range is the Tesla S and X and they are so expensive that they're out of reach of a vast majority of people.
I'm still looking forward to the end of this year when we should start seeing some Model 3 reviews when they start rolling out in the US.
Seems to me EV's aren't suitable for everyone at the moment, the fast charging network just isn't big enough to be really convenient and any real ramp up in numbers of EV's will see queues at the charges as they are seeing already in the US.
The only EV with decent range is the Tesla S and X and they are so expensive that they're out of reach of a vast majority of people.
I'm still looking forward to the end of this year when we should start seeing some Model 3 reviews when they start rolling out in the US.
rxe said:
jamoor said:
Well how did you end up in Maidenhead with 25 mi of charge? Where are you coming from and going to?
That's easy.I was heading for a meeting at Maidenhead, down the M40. I could have stopped at the Oxford supercharger, but the traffic was pants around Birmingham and I was already late, so wasn't going to stop for 20 minutes. I'm now in Maidenhead with 50 miles on the clock. I want to go and stay the night with some friends 10 miles South of Oxford. Next day I am going to Cheltenham.
Looks like I can got onto a 7 kW charger in Maidenhead, which will take 8 hours to fill me up. I could drive to Slough where there are 22 kW chargers, that's only 4 hours. Or I could drive to Reading and get a 30 minute charge.
It's just not that appealing compared to filling the car with diesel in 5 minutes and then not having to worry about it for 600 miles. When there is a 20 minute charger pretty much everywhere, it might become appealing, but not right now.
Also, what if you divert to a supercharger location and arrive to find a queue of other Teslas waiting for power? How many cars can they charge at full power at the same time?
cashmax said:
That post sums up for me why I couldn't consider an EV until there is n infrastructure that support them properly. Having to plan every decent sized journey around visits to charging stations and book hotels that have chargers just doesn't appeal. Why don't they just do a deal with Shell or someone and put superchargers in all the gas stations.
Also, what if you divert to a supercharger location and arrive to find a queue of other Teslas waiting for power? How many cars can they charge at full power at the same time?
Well the car tells you if they are free or not.Also, what if you divert to a supercharger location and arrive to find a queue of other Teslas waiting for power? How many cars can they charge at full power at the same time?
jamoor said:
cashmax said:
That post sums up for me why I couldn't consider an EV until there is n infrastructure that support them properly. Having to plan every decent sized journey around visits to charging stations and book hotels that have chargers just doesn't appeal. Why don't they just do a deal with Shell or someone and put superchargers in all the gas stations.
Also, what if you divert to a supercharger location and arrive to find a queue of other Teslas waiting for power? How many cars can they charge at full power at the same time?
Well the car tells you if they are free or not.Also, what if you divert to a supercharger location and arrive to find a queue of other Teslas waiting for power? How many cars can they charge at full power at the same time?
They're also investigating the option of the cars automatically moving out of the bay and into a normal parking spot..
jamoor said:
Well even that, the chances are you will be doing a long journey on a trunk road, therefore they only need to be placed strategically rather than every corner.
If you look at a map of superchargers, that happens to be the case.
andIf you look at a map of superchargers, that happens to be the case.
jamoor said:
Well the car tells you if they are free or not.
I don't understand how this works. If superchargers are placed strategically and I'm supposed to plan tomorrows journey to include one, then knowing if another car arrives there just before I do is of no help. I'm already 100+ miles from home with 100+ miles to go.How do a few dozen Tesla owners plan a trip to the South West?
(this is the from the Tesla website today)
jamoor said:
Why not just plug it in your friends place overnight?
Plus where did you start your journey? Birmingham?
My friends house has on street parking. There is a chance I'd be able to get the space right outside his house and risk a cable over the pavement, but more likely I will get a space 50 metres up the street, or on the other side of the road.Plus where did you start your journey? Birmingham?
Edited by jamoor on Wednesday 11th January 00:40
Where did I start from - somewhere up the M40, 150 miles from Maidenhead. As I said, the plan was to charge at Oxford, but that got stuffed by the traffic.
Don't get me wrong, I'd seriously consider an s/h leaf as a run-about, but the idea of getting a big range expensive EV right now as primary car seems odd. The scenario I have given is not unreasonable - it's not "i want to drive 600 miles non stop" - I want to do that as well when I go skiing, but I recognise that not everyone can do 600 miles in one hit without stopping for food.
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