RE: TDI the new PPI
Sunday 15th January 2017
Were you mis-sold a VW Group TDI in the UK? Then YOU could be in line for compensation of several thousand pounds - even if you bought the car second-hand, and even if you have since sold the car. Sign up TODAY and make a claim: it's no win, no fee, so what have you got to lose? And if you think this sounds a bit like trying to 'do a PPI' for TDI, then you're not wrong. There's even a dedicated website to make it as easy as possible to put in a claim.
Harcus Sinclair Ltd is leading the charge in the UK, seeking compensation for owners of 1.2-litre, 1.6-litre and 2.0-litre TDI diesels sold in the UK between 2009-2015. Now, you'll probably have noted that $15bn has been awarded to US Volkswagen owners. That's up to $10,000 per person, reckons the firm. So naturally, Brits are automatically in line for a big cash payout too? Well, no. Volkswagen has admitted the software bypassed tough US emissions regulations. It has not admitted Euro 5 legislation was similarly tricked. The firm thus intends to "defend such claims robustly". It's up to the lawyers to prove the software was a functioning defeat device over here too, and helped cars get Euro 5 certification they shouldn't otherwise have received.
But that's not quite the line the lawyers are focusing on. They're arguing, simply, that "Volkswagen engaged in deceit" because defeat device software was needed to meet Euro 5 levels of NOx emissions. If they are able to prove that, when selling the cars, the cars don't meet regulatory standards, then owners (plus former owners - and there are 1.2m UK VWs, Audis, Seats and Skodas affected) are due compensation (of which the lawyers will take a 30 per cent cut).
TDI the new PPI?
Dieselgate has cost VW Group $15bn in America but could Brits now be in line for a pay-out?
Volkswagen suggests they may struggle because, for most of the affected models, making the changes necessary to purge the defeat device from the software does not affect MPG, CO2 or engine performance. What's more, experts reckon retained values are unaffected, and it's thus unlikely any UK customers will have suffered any financial loss for which compensation is due.
There's a long way to go. First, the High Court must give the go-ahead for a pre-trial hearing of this so-called 'group litigation order' (similar to a US class action lawsuit). Then, there would be a full trial, which could be a good two years away. But 10,000 people have already signed up, and Harcus Sinclair is today publically encouraging many more to do the same. If successful, it could cost VW another few billion pounds.
"Don't do it for the money," said Harcus Sinclair's Damon Parker on Radio 4's Today (to which Humphrys could barely conceal a snort), and "don't get your hopes up". But the firm insists that owners of affected vehicles may have overpaid, and may thus be entitled to compensation. So, if you own (or have owned) an affected VW Group car, will you be joining?
Discussion
It strikes me that the real victims are the asthmatics in heavily polluted areas, and VAG owners haven't suffered as much as might have been expected. I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar sueball on behalf of asthmatics.
There have been reports of impaired driveability and fuel consumption on some vehicles that have received a software fix, so some owners are understandably holding off. IMHO VAG should be forced to make *all* of their vehicles fully emissions compliant. If fuel economy, performance and maintenance costs are adversely affected then owners should be compensated.
There have been reports of impaired driveability and fuel consumption on some vehicles that have received a software fix, so some owners are understandably holding off. IMHO VAG should be forced to make *all* of their vehicles fully emissions compliant. If fuel economy, performance and maintenance costs are adversely affected then owners should be compensated.
Let me say from the outset I would not be affected; I've not owned a Volkswagen for many many years and am not affiliated to the claiming company.
Simply put, if you were affected then you should do it (either with the claiming company or, if a class action is successful, there may be other ways in the future). This type of action is how we, as the consumers buying their products can hold them to account and for breaking the trust given to them.
Changing loyalties is another way but then again some people may not want to, I mean how many people changes their banks after making a PPi claim, I didn't. If is is proven that a claim may exist then people affected will be entitled, and I stress entitled, to receive recompense. If there is entitlement then why would someone not seek what they are entitled to. Manufacturers won't do it again!!
Simply put, if you were affected then you should do it (either with the claiming company or, if a class action is successful, there may be other ways in the future). This type of action is how we, as the consumers buying their products can hold them to account and for breaking the trust given to them.
Changing loyalties is another way but then again some people may not want to, I mean how many people changes their banks after making a PPi claim, I didn't. If is is proven that a claim may exist then people affected will be entitled, and I stress entitled, to receive recompense. If there is entitlement then why would someone not seek what they are entitled to. Manufacturers won't do it again!!
ingrowtn said:
Let me say from the outset I would not be affected; I've not owned a Volkswagen for many many years and am not affiliated to the claiming company.
Simply put, if you were affected then you should do it (either with the claiming company or, if a class action is successful, there may be other ways in the future). This type of action is how we, as the consumers buying their products can hold them to account and for breaking the trust given to them.
Changing loyalties is another way but then again some people may not want to, I mean how many people changes their banks after making a PPi claim, I didn't. If is is proven that a claim may exist then people affected will be entitled, and I stress entitled, to receive recompense. If there is entitlement then why would someone not seek what they are entitled to. Manufacturers won't do it again!!
So if VAG Group go bankrupt, is that one up for the people? And hundreds of thousands out of jobs.. Simply put, if you were affected then you should do it (either with the claiming company or, if a class action is successful, there may be other ways in the future). This type of action is how we, as the consumers buying their products can hold them to account and for breaking the trust given to them.
Changing loyalties is another way but then again some people may not want to, I mean how many people changes their banks after making a PPi claim, I didn't. If is is proven that a claim may exist then people affected will be entitled, and I stress entitled, to receive recompense. If there is entitlement then why would someone not seek what they are entitled to. Manufacturers won't do it again!!
Jonnny said:
ingrowtn said:
Let me say from the outset I would not be affected; I've not owned a Volkswagen for many many years and am not affiliated to the claiming company.
Simply put, if you were affected then you should do it (either with the claiming company or, if a class action is successful, there may be other ways in the future). This type of action is how we, as the consumers buying their products can hold them to account and for breaking the trust given to them.
Changing loyalties is another way but then again some people may not want to, I mean how many people changes their banks after making a PPi claim, I didn't. If is is proven that a claim may exist then people affected will be entitled, and I stress entitled, to receive recompense. If there is entitlement then why would someone not seek what they are entitled to. Manufacturers won't do it again!!
So if VAG Group go bankrupt, is that one up for the people? And hundreds of thousands out of jobs.. Simply put, if you were affected then you should do it (either with the claiming company or, if a class action is successful, there may be other ways in the future). This type of action is how we, as the consumers buying their products can hold them to account and for breaking the trust given to them.
Changing loyalties is another way but then again some people may not want to, I mean how many people changes their banks after making a PPi claim, I didn't. If is is proven that a claim may exist then people affected will be entitled, and I stress entitled, to receive recompense. If there is entitlement then why would someone not seek what they are entitled to. Manufacturers won't do it again!!
The same spokesman for Harcus Sinclair was on Radio 2 today suggesting that most of his clients were concerned about the effect their cars were having on the environment more than anything. Some of the absolute rubbish lawyers will spout still amazes me. I'm also baffled by people saying their cars are not as economic as they were after the software update especially as the defeat software isn't even active during normal driving! I'm not suggesting VW aren't in the wrong but seriously? A few grand to the owners of affected vehicles? What possible impact has this had on any of their lives?
ingrowtn said:
Let me say from the outset I would not be affected; I've not owned a Volkswagen for many many years and am not affiliated to the claiming company.
Simply put, if you were affected then you should do it (either with the claiming company or, if a class action is successful, there may be other ways in the future). This type of action is how we, as the consumers buying their products can hold them to account and for breaking the trust given to them.
Changing loyalties is another way but then again some people may not want to, I mean how many people changes their banks after making a PPi claim, I didn't. If is is proven that a claim may exist then people affected will be entitled, and I stress entitled, to receive recompense. If there is entitlement then why would someone not seek what they are entitled to. Manufacturers won't do it again!!
I agree. They have dragged their feet on this and need to be held to account. I've had Audis for 18 years. Tomorrow my 2.0 tdi A4 goes back and I will not be getting another Audi/VAG product. I may not have directly suffered but I have always begrudgingly gone with diesel because of company car tax lower than petrol, and I hate the idea that my emissions unbeknown to me are contributing to the worsening air quality.Simply put, if you were affected then you should do it (either with the claiming company or, if a class action is successful, there may be other ways in the future). This type of action is how we, as the consumers buying their products can hold them to account and for breaking the trust given to them.
Changing loyalties is another way but then again some people may not want to, I mean how many people changes their banks after making a PPi claim, I didn't. If is is proven that a claim may exist then people affected will be entitled, and I stress entitled, to receive recompense. If there is entitlement then why would someone not seek what they are entitled to. Manufacturers won't do it again!!
Considering the unfair competitive advantage they must have gained I'm surprised no other car manufacturers have waded in. But that probably suggests they have their own skeletons!
Edited by Leggy on Monday 9th January 19:40
I have a 2010 Golf TDi and have signed up.
This is how we hold manufacturers to account when they lie about the products they sell us.
Those with the "you've not lost anything, so who cares?" attitude would doubtless think differently if it turned out that a manufacturer had been fibbing about their BHP numbers.
This is how we hold manufacturers to account when they lie about the products they sell us.
Those with the "you've not lost anything, so who cares?" attitude would doubtless think differently if it turned out that a manufacturer had been fibbing about their BHP numbers.
I find it amazing that folk are still buying VAG cars. I've only ever owned one (and it was average), but after this, they can shove it for all of time.
I also think the owners who have been left out of pocket deserve some sort of compensation, if only for the damage this will have done to the value of their vehicle through no fault of their own. $10k might be a bit steep, though.
I also think the owners who have been left out of pocket deserve some sort of compensation, if only for the damage this will have done to the value of their vehicle through no fault of their own. $10k might be a bit steep, though.
Jonnny said:
So if VAG Group go bankrupt, is that one up for the people? And hundreds of thousands out of jobs..
same justification for the banks playing casino games.in this world you commit fraud you get punished if, people lose there job that is because vag are corrupt, no one else to blame.
if people had more integrity and stood up for what is wrong it may never have got this far..
David87 said:
I find it amazing that folk are still buying VAG cars. I've only ever owned one (and it was average), but after this, they can shove it for all of time.
Why? I couldn't care less. All the manufacturers jump through these artificial hoops created by governments so what difference does it make? They create more soot or NOx than reported, but they all - do it's total b
ks. First google and:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/23/d...
97% of diesel cars emit more NOx than official limit. It's all a joke.
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