RE: TDI the new PPI
Discussion
I don't think that I will be claiming. Firstly I don' think that the trade in price of my car has been affected or that the emissions are that worse than they otherwise could be. Look at all the s**t spewing out of (for example) Indian , Chinese and Russian etc power stations .What affect does the small difference make in a few VW cars? Also signing up to a legal claim? Whoa -hold on... . I have this completely irrational (I know) fear that if things go t*ts up all the claimants might finish up with a share of the bill !
I said right from the start it might have been easier if VW had done the right thing and offered everyone a one off payment in full and final settlement of say 200/300 quid ...job done. Everyone would have been happy then.Unfortunately I think they've just tried to take the piss.Hence we are where we are now .Funny old World nowadays - there really are some savvy boys about.Come on VW ...man up and do the proper thing .I'd take a small pay off.
I said right from the start it might have been easier if VW had done the right thing and offered everyone a one off payment in full and final settlement of say 200/300 quid ...job done. Everyone would have been happy then.Unfortunately I think they've just tried to take the piss.Hence we are where we are now .Funny old World nowadays - there really are some savvy boys about.Come on VW ...man up and do the proper thing .I'd take a small pay off.
tiggyzak said:
I said right from the start it might have been easier if VW had done the right thing and offered everyone a one off payment in full and final settlement of say 200/300 quid ...job done.
Nothing like enough. They were offering £1500 loyalty bonus at first, but have long dropped that.US owners got more than that as initial payments before VW even started to think of a longer term solution.
Can't see them doing even £1500 now never mind 3-5 grand .They'll be kicking and screaming all the way and our courts ,unlike the US ,are too weak They're too busy stopping people doing assisted suicide when they have the most terrible disease known as Motor Neurone Disease to do anything about it.I have nursed my brother through 5 years of that - forget what you see on TV -I'm talking about hard core ,last six months of life Motor Neurone Disease - I could write a book that would turn your stomach ! I'm so sorry ,I digress.This site is no place for that.
However can I say that it might help if VW would give a REALLY ,REALLY good part ex price against a new VW for affected owwners.......NO CHANCE.
However can I say that it might help if VW would give a REALLY ,REALLY good part ex price against a new VW for affected owwners.......NO CHANCE.
Bearing in mind the popularity of diesel in normal road cars, as opposed to say HGVs or ships, where its properties are better suited, do the manufacturers have a case to sue governments? The only reason diesel cars are remotely acceptable is that the manufacturers spent untold billions adapting an unsuitable technology to the 1-2 ton motor car. Their enfgineering departments have always known that petrol/electric and hydrogen are far better solutions, but if the legislators design rules such that diesel cars sell, they will of course develop cars that meet the legislation. So, do the manufacturers have recourse to the governments who have set diesel-friendly rules, then changed them rapidly? Given the tooling up time of a new engine design, and the expense of a new car to a typical motorist, whilst I am pleased the diesel con is ending, businesses and consumers are going to suffer financially. The Snake Oil burning engine.
We choose to litigate for all those:
-with 1.6 TDI engines that have paid VW and their dealers 1000's to replace their EGR value due to s**t engineering.
-with 1.2 TSi engine that have paid 1000's to replace their engine due to cr**py parts used during manufacturing.
-with DSG gearboxes that have left them at the side of the road and with a bill of 1000s due to c**p engineering and corporate indifference.
For all those who have placed their faith in a quality product but were duped and filled VWs profits through inflated repairs for sub-standard designs.
Lets hope that they learn their lesson and have some respect for their customer base, or follow the same path as Rover.
-with 1.6 TDI engines that have paid VW and their dealers 1000's to replace their EGR value due to s**t engineering.
-with 1.2 TSi engine that have paid 1000's to replace their engine due to cr**py parts used during manufacturing.
-with DSG gearboxes that have left them at the side of the road and with a bill of 1000s due to c**p engineering and corporate indifference.
For all those who have placed their faith in a quality product but were duped and filled VWs profits through inflated repairs for sub-standard designs.
Lets hope that they learn their lesson and have some respect for their customer base, or follow the same path as Rover.
myhandle said:
Bearing in mind the popularity of diesel in normal road cars, as opposed to say HGVs or ships, where its properties are better suited, do the manufacturers have a case to sue governments? The only reason diesel cars are remotely acceptable is that the manufacturers spent untold billions adapting an unsuitable technology to the 1-2 ton motor car. Their enfgineering departments have always known that petrol/electric and hydrogen are far better solutions, but if the legislators design rules such that diesel cars sell, they will of course develop cars that meet the legislation. So, do the manufacturers have recourse to the governments who have set diesel-friendly rules, then changed them rapidly? Given the tooling up time of a new engine design, and the expense of a new car to a typical motorist, whilst I am pleased the diesel con is ending, businesses and consumers are going to suffer financially. The Snake Oil burning engine.
You think petrol engines are suitable? Petrol as a fuel has never worked without nasty chemicals being added to it, otherwise they suffer pre-ignition at very low engine speeds and loads. It was petrol engines that was pumping lead into the air around the planet for several decades, until lead was replaced with highly carcinogenic stuff like benzene, which is used to this day. Small diesel engines were fine though, albeit a tad course. Unstressed, no ignition system, fuel doesn't need highly refining nor nasty stuff to be added, fuel is safer in an accident, very economical, etc etc.
In fact I imagine that back in the day they required very little engineering indeed.
Has this been debated on PH yet? "Petrol cars allowed to exceed pollution limits by 50% under draft EU laws"
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/oct/2...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/oct/2...
hairyben said:
The validity of the science is not relevent to my point, in fact it endorses it, given the people were clobbered into diesel cars because environment and are now being clobbered back out of them and into what they were driving before because environment... the environment is weaponised as a quasi religion we dare not object to by people with motives and agendas that blatently contradict themselves. Whether a particular aspect or factoid happens to be true or not is besides the point
Exactly... "Science" the new religion for controlling the masses!
SiF said:
We choose to litigate for all those:
-with 1.6 TDI engines that have paid VW and their dealers 1000's to replace their EGR value due to s**t engineering.
-with 1.2 TSi engine that have paid 1000's to replace their engine due to cr**py parts used during manufacturing.
-with DSG gearboxes that have left them at the side of the road and with a bill of 1000s due to c**p engineering and corporate indifference.
For all those who have placed their faith in a quality product but were duped and filled VWs profits through inflated repairs for sub-standard designs.
I thought you were talking about trying to grub some money from VW, but then you mentioned "quality product" so I'm not sure now.-with 1.6 TDI engines that have paid VW and their dealers 1000's to replace their EGR value due to s**t engineering.
-with 1.2 TSi engine that have paid 1000's to replace their engine due to cr**py parts used during manufacturing.
-with DSG gearboxes that have left them at the side of the road and with a bill of 1000s due to c**p engineering and corporate indifference.
For all those who have placed their faith in a quality product but were duped and filled VWs profits through inflated repairs for sub-standard designs.
SiF said:
Lets hope that they learn their lesson and have some respect for their customer base, or follow the same path as Rover.
I doubt BMW would want the VW brand, they have their own unreliable junk to worry about.Manta A said:
Exactly...
"Science" the new religion for controlling the masses!
Science is simply the word used to describe the mechanism by which humans expand their knowledge. "Science" the new religion for controlling the masses!
If you think it is anyway similar to religion then you need to go and study science.
An attack on science is normally because the facts don't agree with people's ideology so they feel threatened and so try to discredit it. When ever someone tries to do so you don't have to look very hard to spot the problematic ideology.
It is never science that causes a problem, it is the misrepresentation of it.
The fact remains that both CO2 and NOx cause a problem and need reducing. Governments thought they could help to meet CO2 targets by encouraging the wholesale switch to diesel and imagined that the NOx issue could be dealth with through emission control. The problem is that the latter hasn't really happened. This situation doesn't alter the validity of the science or the fact that both need addressing.
Edited by Devil2575 on Monday 16th January 12:32
SuperchargedVR6 said:
Devil2575 said:
culpz said:
Devil2575 said:
Well it f
king should be.
You might not care less, but plenty of people do care that they have been lied too.
I do love how personally this all gets taken.king should be.You might not care less, but plenty of people do care that they have been lied too.
Plenty people really don't care though as they have not suffered any kind of significant financial loss. Again, the potential claim of any kind of money back despite this is obviously and clearly appealing.
ked up mentalityDevil2575 said:
The fact remains that both CO2 and NOx cause a problem and need reducing. Governments thought they could help to meet CO2 targets by encouraging the wholesale switch to diesel and imagined that the NOx issue could be dealth with through emission control. The problem is that the latter hasn't really happened. This situation doesn't alter the validity of the science or the fact that both need addressing.
There is no fact that supports CO2 being a problem - you're not quoting science 
NOx is a problem and needs to be addressed but it's only just become fashionable. When Governments were made aware of the fake issue with CO2 there was an opportunity to tax people so that's the option they took as it was fashionable to be anti-CO2, climate change was after all going to remove snow from the northern hemisphere by the year 2000 and polar bears would die
Diesel is now a dead fuel for cars - most new petrol cars can quite easily achieve better MPG than diesel cars did 10 years ago and with an order of magnitude lower NOx. The Government needs to act now but as usual it'll be too late by the time they do as it takes a few years to work how how to monetise it and use it to raise tax.
pmr01 said:
Just another thing to PISS ME RIGHT OFF in life....now that PPI Is coming to an end we now have this st. More weasely lawyers coming out from under their stones. Hopefully, there are not sufficient weasely lawyers coming out of university such demand for their 'skills' increases so that I stop getting calls / texts about 'the accident' I have had. Where the feck did we go wrong in society that this st is allowed.
The 'lawyer' on radio 2 was a ticket....he sounds like he was bullied at school by girls; apologies to anyone reading this who was yada yada yada
You are 100% correct. And this is coming from a Barrister. t. More weasely lawyers coming out from under their stones. Hopefully, there are not sufficient weasely lawyers coming out of university such demand for their 'skills' increases so that I stop getting calls / texts about 'the accident' I have had. Where the feck did we go wrong in society that this st is allowed. The 'lawyer' on radio 2 was a ticket....he sounds like he was bullied at school by girls; apologies to anyone reading this who was yada yada yada
Devil2575 said:
George111 said:
There is no fact that supports CO2 being a problem - you're not quoting science
Don't be stupid.Climate change deniers, antivaxxers, anti GMO, flatearthers...
There's a long list of science denying clowns in this world.
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