Small Manufacturer Franchised Dealers.

Small Manufacturer Franchised Dealers.

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towser44

3,492 posts

115 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Unexpected Item In Bagging Area said:
Wilmslowboy said:
Another ford ...Sidney Jackson & Sons. (Adlington)


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Wilmslow+Rd,+M...
I was going to post this one, it has't changed at all in the 41 years I've been alive. I called in a few years ago to have a diagnostic test done and had a chat with old Mr Jackson who was lovely but as deaf as a post.
Amazing it's still going really when you consider Jennings has the large Ford dealership hardly 10 mins away in Wilmslow and then there is Bristol Street Ford in Macc about 10-15 mins the other way!

eric twinge

1,619 posts

222 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Gwyndaf Evans has a ford dealership in Dolgellau, snowdonia, Wales. It was quite small but it was re built a few years ago.

He even turned up with a low loader when a friend of ours managed to drive into a wall. Couldn't believe it when he hopped out of the cab!

http://www.gwyndafevansmotors.co.uk/


RushDom

230 posts

94 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Wilmslowboy said:
Another ford ...Sidney Jackson & Sons. (Adlington)


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Wilmslow+Rd,+M...
These guys are terrific. Really friendly staff. The dealership is tiny but often has some really cool stuff parked outside - plus there's a Model T in the showroom too.

There's a pretty tasty looking Mk2 Focus RS on their forecourt at the moment...makes me jealous having to pass it every day!

littlebasher

3,780 posts

171 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Seems there's still a teeny tiny Honda dealership in Dibden Purlieu

http://www.southamptonhonda.co.uk/showroom/cars/

Used to be a Ford dealer at the petrol station next door IIRC

craigjm

17,953 posts

200 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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jamoor said:
craigjm said:
jamoor said:
A dealership is a company that resells other peoples products
Eh? where did you get that definition from?

So.... Fiat have a "dealership" around the back of Oxford Street in London..... What type of business is that then?

From their own website.....

Motorvilage said:
We are brand professionals with Fiat: for stylish, economical and fun motoring as well as Alfa Romeo, with all its executive style. We also carry the iconic and sporty Abarth brand and Jeep, the leader in off road capability.

Open 7 days a week, we offer a full range of services including, new and used car sales, aftercare, parts & servicing, business & fleet and Motability.

We are part of the wider Motor Village group of dealers which is exclusively owned by the manufacturer. There are 2 showrooms in the UK as well as sites across Europe and in major cities throughout the US.
Direct sales?

When apple sells phones in its own shops, are the shops phone dealers? Or are the apple authorised dealers that they have in some cities phone dealers?

You do recognise the difference between a manufacturer selling their own product and selling it exclusively through intermediaries?

You can look up subway and McDonald's too.

In the UK some McDonald's stores are owned by McDonald's themselves. Others are franchises.

In the case of Subway, all of their stores are franchises.


I'm suspecting that you aren't a businessperson and just have a 9-5 job.
Now you are just being stupid. Do Apple / McDonalds etc accept trade ins? can you haggle the price? A "dealer" in anything makes... deals.....

You walk into a showroom, you choose a car, you haggle on the price, you have your trade in appraised and a cost to change given..... this is a DEAL.... hence DEALER

You walk into Apple and buy a phone this is not a DEAL hence they are not DEALERS

You suspect very very wrong my friend

Edited by craigjm on Wednesday 18th January 13:10

GrandAndrew

876 posts

150 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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We're very much like this, slightly bigger than some of the garages on here but not by too much. We can probably fit about 18 cars in our showroom but 9 - 10 is a nice display. Our sales team is made up of myself, my Dad (also our DP) and my sister. We opened about 43 years ago and I'm told that Cliftonville was a thriving town then and ours was a busy road. This may not be the case right now but there's definitely signs of improvement in the area.

It has both positives and negatives but there is never dull moment. I briefly worked in a big shiny garage when I finished university, it wasn't for me but I can see the attraction for some customers. On a personal level, I enjoy the variety of work that my job offers which I don't think (happy to be corrected!) I'd be afforded in a larger dealership, regardless of the role.

It's certainly a changing landscape with e-commerce and the like growing around us but I feel from talking to our customer base on a daily basis that there's still a place for dealers like us that are focused on the local community rather than the county or even country as a whole.

Jim AK

4,029 posts

124 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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GrandAndrew said:
We're very much like this, slightly bigger than some of the garages on here but not by too much. We can probably fit about 18 cars in our showroom but 9 - 10 is a nice display. Our sales team is made up of myself, my Dad (also our DP) and my sister. We opened about 43 years ago and I'm told that Cliftonville was a thriving town then and ours was a busy road. This may not be the case right now but there's definitely signs of improvement in the area.

It has both positives and negatives but there is never dull moment. I briefly worked in a big shiny garage when I finished university, it wasn't for me but I can see the attraction for some customers. On a personal level, I enjoy the variety of work that my job offers which I don't think (happy to be corrected!) I'd be afforded in a larger dealership, regardless of the role.

It's certainly a changing landscape with e-commerce and the like growing around us but I feel from talking to our customer base on a daily basis that there's still a place for dealers like us that are focused on the local community rather than the county or even country as a whole.
Interesting read there Andrew, I'm assuming you are part of the company in your user name!

Where do you see your company & dealers in general in 10 years time?

Personally I think small dealerships will survive & may possibly even have an upsurge due to the maintenance involved with EV's.

I also believe, as you will see from previous posts, large dealer groups will survive & evolve due to the large sums being spent by them for investment in premises & the purchase of existing businesses.

Despite the 'thoughts' of another poster here, a dealer group,does not borrow £40 million to invest in their existing business for a mere 10 years!!

GrandAndrew

876 posts

150 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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I think with any business it's important to stay flexible and relevant. Listen to your customers and keep an eye on what makes you money and what costs you money. It sounds so straight forward written down but it's amazing how many people lose sight of these things.

With a lot of smaller garages if it's not going to go into the hands of a larger group and there isn't an heir to take it over then the site will normally be sold for development. With the price of land seemingly always on the up there's always going to be somebody interested in buying it. It's a relatively easy way for the aging motor trader to retire. I'd guess this is where a lot of the smaller garages are going.

I think to work in the motor trade at our level you've got to have an interest in cars. That's what drew me to it and that's why in 10 years I imagine I'll be doing much the same thing. The big groups certainly aren't going away but I think due to investment costs you won't get new stand alone garages like ourselves popping up so I guess over time it's logical we'll get rarer.


berlintaxi

8,535 posts

173 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Mangoletsi, Fiat/Chrysler brands on one site in the middle of the Cheshire countryside, seems to do OK, been there forever.

jamoor

14,506 posts

215 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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craigjm said:
Now you are just being stupid. Do Apple / McDonalds etc accept trade ins? can you haggle the price? A "dealer" in anything makes... deals.....

You walk into a showroom, you choose a car, you haggle on the price, you have your trade in appraised and a cost to change given..... this is a DEAL.... hence DEALER

You walk into Apple and buy a phone this is not a DEAL hence they are not DEALERS

You suspect very very wrong my friend

Edited by craigjm on Wednesday 18th January 13:10
Yep I refer you to my last sentence of my previous post.

towser44

3,492 posts

115 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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berlintaxi said:
Mangoletsi, Fiat/Chrysler brands on one site in the middle of the Cheshire countryside, seems to do OK, been there forever.
And Subaru now as well!

Sheepshanks

32,755 posts

119 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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towser44 said:
berlintaxi said:
Mangoletsi, Fiat/Chrysler brands on one site in the middle of the Cheshire countryside, seems to do OK, been there forever.
And Subaru now as well!
Infamously messed a lot of PHer's about last year taking deposits on a very cheap Jeep Grand Cherokee lease deal that they couldn't honour.

soxboy

6,222 posts

219 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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Sheepshanks said:
towser44 said:
berlintaxi said:
Mangoletsi, Fiat/Chrysler brands on one site in the middle of the Cheshire countryside, seems to do OK, been there forever.
And Subaru now as well!
Infamously messed a lot of PHer's about last year taking deposits on a very cheap Jeep Grand Cherokee lease deal that they couldn't honour.
I think that was a case of demand very much outstripping supply and them getting themselves in a pickle because of being inundated with orders.

We leased a Jeep with them last year, service absolutely fine. They've been going for a long while.

berlintaxi

8,535 posts

173 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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soxboy said:
Sheepshanks said:
towser44 said:
berlintaxi said:
Mangoletsi, Fiat/Chrysler brands on one site in the middle of the Cheshire countryside, seems to do OK, been there forever.
And Subaru now as well!
Infamously messed a lot of PHer's about last year taking deposits on a very cheap Jeep Grand Cherokee lease deal that they couldn't honour.
I think that was a case of demand very much outstripping supply and them getting themselves in a pickle because of being inundated with orders.

We leased a Jeep with them last year, service absolutely fine. They've been going for a long while.
Indeed, bought an Abarth from them at the back end of last year and they couldn't have given better service.

GuyMartinsSideys

10 posts

110 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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This has got to be the smallest dealer in the prettiest location -

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.2290915,-5.07452...

WD Semple, retail Renault dealer up in Inverary.

Great view too!

750turbo

6,164 posts

224 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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GuyMartinsSideys said:
This has got to be the smallest dealer in the prettiest location -

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.2290915,-5.07452...

WD Semple, retail Renault dealer up in Inverary.

Great view too!
Not a million miles away...

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.0038139,-4.73959...

Sheepshanks

32,755 posts

119 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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750turbo said:
GuyMartinsSideys said:
This has got to be the smallest dealer in the prettiest location -

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.2290915,-5.07452...

WD Semple, retail Renault dealer up in Inverary.

Great view too!
Not a million miles away...

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.0038139,-4.73959...
To be fair on Google earth they both look a lot bigger than would first appear. I can't imagine the Toyota dealer standards people being too happy with the image shown though!

GrandAndrew

876 posts

150 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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They're both wonderful!

ClaphamGT3

11,300 posts

243 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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Rural France is full of micro dealers like this, all of whom - in my experience - are owner operated and offer wonderful customer service

Benmac

1,468 posts

216 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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Here's another North Wales one. The R J Williams, the Honda dealer in Talsarnau near Harlech. Its always absolutely rammed with cars and so are the nearby verges.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.903896,-4.063866...

Just up the road is the Toyota dealer in Harlec which, while small, looks massive compared to the Honda dealer.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Talsarnau/@52....