What happened to all the Gas Vans used in the Holocaust?
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It's a bit of a sensitive subject, but I have been reading about the Second World War and I note that they used "gas vans" to exterminate victims during the Holocaust before they introduced gas chambers. Around 7,000 Jews, Romas, Jehovah's Witnesses and others died in a gas van, out of the 6,000,000+ who died between 1941-1945 under the German Reich.
I have established two brands that participated in the production of gas vans (carbon monoxide was piped in to the van), Magrius-Deutz (now seperated and Magrius is owned by Iveco group) and Mercedes.
What happened to the gas vans?
I have established two brands that participated in the production of gas vans (carbon monoxide was piped in to the van), Magrius-Deutz (now seperated and Magrius is owned by Iveco group) and Mercedes.
What happened to the gas vans?
GreatGranny said:
No idea why you would be interested in this but I would have thought they were all destroyed.
Well I hope they would have been.
No reason for them to be kept.
Surely one would be at a museum? Although it would of had a dark past.Well I hope they would have been.
No reason for them to be kept.
Nothing wrong with taking an interest in researching WW1 and 2.
sleepera6 said:
It's a bit of a sensitive subject, but I have been reading about the Second World War and I note that they used "gas vans" to exterminate victims during the Holocaust before they introduced gas chambers. Around 7,000 Jews, Romas, Jehovah's Witnesses and others died in a gas van, out of the 6,000,000+ who died between 1941-1945 under the German Reich.
I have established two brands that participated in the production of gas vans (carbon monoxide was piped in to the van), Magrius-Deutz (now seperated and Magrius is owned by Iveco group) and Mercedes.
What happened to the gas vans?
Crushed for metal to aid rebuildingI have established two brands that participated in the production of gas vans (carbon monoxide was piped in to the van), Magrius-Deutz (now seperated and Magrius is owned by Iveco group) and Mercedes.
What happened to the gas vans?
sleepera6 said:
GreatGranny said:
No idea why you would be interested in this but I would have thought they were all destroyed.
Well I hope they would have been.
No reason for them to be kept.
Surely one would be at a museum? Although it would of had a dark past.Well I hope they would have been.
No reason for them to be kept.
Nothing wrong with taking an interest in researching WW1 and 2.
Does anyone know how many of these gas vans were produced?
It always fascinated me how many ordinary Germans at the end of the war claimed no knowledge of the atrocities being committed, yet I assume these vans were made on a production line by ordinary workers to fulfill an obviously very specific purpose?
As has been said, a fascinating subject and I hope the lessons learned from WW2 aren't forgotten as the veterans of that conflict are now becoming fewer and the millennials seem only to care of Kim Kardashians ever expanding back side.
It always fascinated me how many ordinary Germans at the end of the war claimed no knowledge of the atrocities being committed, yet I assume these vans were made on a production line by ordinary workers to fulfill an obviously very specific purpose?
As has been said, a fascinating subject and I hope the lessons learned from WW2 aren't forgotten as the veterans of that conflict are now becoming fewer and the millennials seem only to care of Kim Kardashians ever expanding back side.
Information here talks about 20 to 30 vans of a particular type, plus others of different type and construction.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holoca...
Online information says none survive now.
The Chinese use mobile execution vehicles now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3kkAloo7ng
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1165416/Ch...
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holoca...
Online information says none survive now.
The Chinese use mobile execution vehicles now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3kkAloo7ng
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1165416/Ch...
sleepera6 said:
Surely one would be at a museum? Although it would of had a dark past.
Nothing wrong with taking an interest in researching WW1 and 2.
I visited a museum in France and there was a guillotine there that has been used for dozens if not hundreds of executionsNothing wrong with taking an interest in researching WW1 and 2.
I couldn't see something like that in a UK museum but not all cultures feel the same
V8RX7 said:
I think - as did those who preserved the concentration camps - that a few of these types of things should be preserved.
It stops the morons from arguing that it never happened.
Correct thats one of the many reasons for Auschwitz museum.It stops the morons from arguing that it never happened.
Unfortunately does not help or deny the arguments of the numbers killed there or Sobibor or Treblinka.
liner33 said:
sleepera6 said:
Surely one would be at a museum? Although it would of had a dark past.
Nothing wrong with taking an interest in researching WW1 and 2.
I visited a museum in France and there was a guillotine there that has been used for dozens if not hundreds of executionsNothing wrong with taking an interest in researching WW1 and 2.
I couldn't see something like that in a UK museum but not all cultures feel the same
http://www.hrp.org.uk/tower-of-london/visit-us/top...
williamp said:
sleepera6 said:
GreatGranny said:
No idea why you would be interested in this but I would have thought they were all destroyed.
Well I hope they would have been.
No reason for them to be kept.
Surely one would be at a museum? Although it would of had a dark past.Well I hope they would have been.
No reason for them to be kept.
Nothing wrong with taking an interest in researching WW1 and 2.
I suspect that the vans were returned to standard specification and put back into use. Their use was stopped once the gas chambers and Zyklon B were put into use, and in an ongoing war situation with any mode of transport at an absolute premiu the ducting put on the original vans would have been removed and the vans reused for freight.
V8RX7 said:
I think - as did those who preserved the concentration camps - that a few of these types of things should be preserved.
It stops the morons from arguing that it never happened.
Absolutely. You can teach people about what happened but seeing artifacts alongside stories/diaries/photos makes it feel a lot more real. Sure, it wouldn't be appropriate at a general motoring museum but any war museum would be perfectly suitable.It stops the morons from arguing that it never happened.
It seems they consisted of a purpose built body mounted on a standard commercial vehicle chassis.
I suggest with respect that once the more well known method was introduced, a general purpose style load bed replaced the original.
Remember also the acute shortage of motor transport endured by the German Army during WW11, nothing would have been left
parked up if still servicable..
I suggest with respect that once the more well known method was introduced, a general purpose style load bed replaced the original.
Remember also the acute shortage of motor transport endured by the German Army during WW11, nothing would have been left
parked up if still servicable..
To my knowledge none exist, and they were very much a minor aspect of the Holocaust. Given the efforts of the Nazis to obliterate all evidence of the Holocaust as defeat was imminent it is extremely unlikely they would have left anything like this to survive.
I have no doubt that a great number of Germans knew what was going on. The Nürnberg Laws were enacted in 1934 and from that point on life was hell for the Jews. A progressive number of more and more restrictive laws were passed until the Final Solution was proposed at the Wannsee conference in 1941.
There is a superb diary by Victor Klemperer a Jew married to a Christian as well as being a recipient of the Iron Cross from WW.1, who became a sort of non-person due to this. It documents life in Berlin form 1934 on and the continuing descent towards the Holocaust. Called "I will bear witness" it was only discovered in Leipzig after the fall of the Berlin Wall and is one of the few documents that describes the utter horror of Jewish life under the Third Reich.
Very hard to believe nobody knew what was going on after reading this very detailed diary.
I have no doubt that a great number of Germans knew what was going on. The Nürnberg Laws were enacted in 1934 and from that point on life was hell for the Jews. A progressive number of more and more restrictive laws were passed until the Final Solution was proposed at the Wannsee conference in 1941.
There is a superb diary by Victor Klemperer a Jew married to a Christian as well as being a recipient of the Iron Cross from WW.1, who became a sort of non-person due to this. It documents life in Berlin form 1934 on and the continuing descent towards the Holocaust. Called "I will bear witness" it was only discovered in Leipzig after the fall of the Berlin Wall and is one of the few documents that describes the utter horror of Jewish life under the Third Reich.
Very hard to believe nobody knew what was going on after reading this very detailed diary.
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