The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread Vol 3
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His positioning was due to the biker blocking him, assuming he didn't just make a wrong lane choice in the first place.
Look at the second pic posted above. That's where he would've been moving more to the left but couldn't because of the bike and it looks like he stays right until the last second in the hope that the bike will either f
k off and catch his mates up or move to the left as he's supposed to.
As I said, devil's advocate and all that.
Look at the second pic posted above. That's where he would've been moving more to the left but couldn't because of the bike and it looks like he stays right until the last second in the hope that the bike will either f
k off and catch his mates up or move to the left as he's supposed to. As I said, devil's advocate and all that.
Monkeylegend said:
I am not defending the biker, but the BMW driver contributed to the situation with his poor positioning IMO.
Read the post above yours you bell. The roundabout layout does not help, but the three bikers should have been in the left hand of the two lanes going straight on. They straight lined the roundabout which blocked the BMW into the right hand lane.Entirely the bikers fault coupled with the HCW going postal tells you everything you need to know.
hornetrider said:
Monkeylegend said:
I am not defending the biker, but the BMW driver contributed to the situation with his poor positioning IMO.
Read the post above yours you bell. The roundabout layout does not help, but the three bikers should have been in the left hand of the two lanes going straight on. They straight lined the roundabout which blocked the BMW into the right hand lane.Entirely the bikers fault coupled with the HCW going postal tells you everything you need to know.
poing said:
Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnVXVNEje8M
Looked like the Biker was at fault there. Regardless of the reason the BMW drifted into the right lane (IMO it's because the BMW driver anticipated that the biker might be there after seeing the first two use the wrong lane) - the conflict only occurred because the biker was in the wrong lane.
Had the biker been in the left lane as they were supposed to be - the BMW moving across to take the right hand lane of the exit would have caused no issues at all.
Monkeylegend said:
Centurion07 said:
Yes, because the bike was sat in his blindspot not allowing him to move, legitimately, to where he was supposed to for that exit.
That's a contradiction, if the bike was in the cars blindspot, the car would move over because he hasn't seen the bike.Just because someone might be in your blind spot doesn't mean that you cannot take steps so that they are visible.
Mandat said:
Monkeylegend said:
Centurion07 said:
Yes, because the bike was sat in his blindspot not allowing him to move, legitimately, to where he was supposed to for that exit.
That's a contradiction, if the bike was in the cars blindspot, the car would move over because he hasn't seen the bike.Just because someone might be in your blind spot doesn't mean that you cannot take steps so that they are visible.
Monkeylegend said:
Mandat said:
Monkeylegend said:
Centurion07 said:
Yes, because the bike was sat in his blindspot not allowing him to move, legitimately, to where he was supposed to for that exit.
That's a contradiction, if the bike was in the cars blindspot, the car would move over because he hasn't seen the bike.Just because someone might be in your blind spot doesn't mean that you cannot take steps so that they are visible.
I am aware of my blind spots, and I actively check these when necessary. In addition, when one of these average numpty drivers position themselves within the blind spot, I will take action to remove them from there.
Mandat said:
Monkeylegend said:
Mandat said:
Monkeylegend said:
Centurion07 said:
Yes, because the bike was sat in his blindspot not allowing him to move, legitimately, to where he was supposed to for that exit.
That's a contradiction, if the bike was in the cars blindspot, the car would move over because he hasn't seen the bike.Just because someone might be in your blind spot doesn't mean that you cannot take steps so that they are visible.
I am aware of my blind spots, and I actively check these when necessary. In addition, when one of these average numpty drivers position themselves within the blind spot, I will take action to remove them from there.
Monkeylegend said:
hornetrider said:
Monkeylegend said:
I am not defending the biker, but the BMW driver contributed to the situation with his poor positioning IMO.
Read the post above yours you bell. The roundabout layout does not help, but the three bikers should have been in the left hand of the two lanes going straight on. They straight lined the roundabout which blocked the BMW into the right hand lane.Entirely the bikers fault coupled with the HCW going postal tells you everything you need to know.
The bmw entered the roundabout in the lane signed for the a205(e) but left along the a20
The bikers entered in the lane signed for the a20 and exited on the a20
While the bikers should always watch out for this sort of driving, it was the BMW that was in the wrong lane at the entrance to the island
However, the green lane marking sign indicated that both lanes go straight on, so BMW seemed to be positioned acceptably at the approach.
When the BMW entered the island, he moved into the lane for the a205(e) then failed to indicate when changing to the a20 exit.
I would say, biker should have half expected it (though I think he did). BMW driver should have realised the poor markings that led him into the wrong lane and at least of indicated his exit.
Edited by Gary C on Monday 23 January 18:39
Edited by Gary C on Monday 23 January 18:42
Gary C said:
While the bikers should always watch out for this sort of driving, it was the BMW that was in the wrong lane at the entrance to the island
However, the green lane marking sign indicated that both lanes go straight on, so BMW seemed to be positioned acceptably at the approach.
When the BMW entered the island, he moved into the lane for the a205(e) then failed to indicate when changing to the a20 exit.
Look at the pics again. The tHowever, the green lane marking sign indicated that both lanes go straight on, so BMW seemed to be positioned acceptably at the approach.
When the BMW entered the island, he moved into the lane for the a205(e) then failed to indicate when changing to the a20 exit.
t on the bike blocked him into that lane.
Centurion07 said:
Look at the pics again. The tt on the bike blocked him into that lane.
I can't really see him being forced over to the right particularly, but even if he was, being forced in to a lane doesn't give you the go ahead to just cut back across in to the lane you wanted to be in when there's a motorbike hovering around your rear quarter.t on the bike blocked him into that lane.He should have indicated, slowed and waited for the biker to clear him.
(Massive over reaction from the biker though, certainly.)
Goaty Bill 2 said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
Centurion07 said:
fk me! It genuinely puzzles me as to how some people can make such obviously bad decisions when driving. 
In almost every case it was the lack of 'look before pulling out' that causes the accident.k me! It genuinely puzzles me as to how some people can make such obviously bad decisions when driving. Many of the camera cars simply pulled out in front of someone who was already overtaking.
Most, if not all of the observed (by DCW) accidents were caused by the same thing, by the cars ahead of them, aside from a couple of obvious attempts to simply force the overtaking car off the road.
Gary C said:
While the bikers should always watch out for this sort of driving, it was the BMW that was in the wrong lane at the entrance to the island
Why though - because the BMW driver had observed the two bikers ahead of him straight line the roundabout and probably anticipated (correctly as it turns out) that the third biker would do the same.Had the BMW attempted to follow the right hand A20 lane - the conflict with the biker would have occurred much sooner as the bike had every intention of doing a straight line run and hanging the BMW out to dry - just like his buddies ahead of him had.
Don't mess with a biker and his racing line
Bennet said:
I can't really see him being forced over to the right particularly, but even if he was, being forced in to a lane doesn't give you the go ahead to just cut back across in to the lane you wanted to be in when there's a motorbike hovering around your rear quarter.
He should have indicated, slowed and waited for the biker to clear him.
(Massive over reaction from the biker though, certainly.)
The biker's positioning is what's "forcing" him into that lane, but yes, shouldn't have just taken the exit like that.He should have indicated, slowed and waited for the biker to clear him.
(Massive over reaction from the biker though, certainly.)
That seems to be the default action from most drivers when they get "lost" on a roundabout; just swing across lanes if you're in the wrong one with no thought as to anyone else. It's a roundabout. Either go round again if you've missed your exit or live with the extra 30 seconds it's going to take you to turn around if you're forced down the wrong exit.
vournikas said:
100% this
Telford & Wrekin are currently carpet-bombing r'bouts with "Growth Point" work packages which involve widening given islands on their approach and in their footprint. The first one completed looks nice, but the lane markings are a fking joke.
Previously, it was a two lane approach; left lane for left and straight on, right lane for right turn only. Easy.
Now, the left lane is marked straight on or left (but not marked M54 - which is straight on), the middle lane is marked straight on for M54, but if you follow the lane markings on entering, one can actually turn right. The right hand lane is marked straight on or right, but if you use that lane to go straight on, you end up crossing lane markings that indicate otherwise.
It's a complete fk up meant to deal with half a million new homes to be built in Telford, whilst ignoring the elephant in the room namely the M54. How the fk is a 40 year old two lane motorway supposed to cope with that much additional traffic?? Shortly, the M54 will be gridlocked East and Westbound with people trying to get to work in either Shrewsbury or the West Midlands.
mmmm
Bit of a thread hijack, that was; sorry.
As you were.
Easy to blame the LA but by the sounds of it, it may have been the Developer (i.e. Private Sector) who designed it.Telford & Wrekin are currently carpet-bombing r'bouts with "Growth Point" work packages which involve widening given islands on their approach and in their footprint. The first one completed looks nice, but the lane markings are a f
king joke.Previously, it was a two lane approach; left lane for left and straight on, right lane for right turn only. Easy.
Now, the left lane is marked straight on or left (but not marked M54 - which is straight on), the middle lane is marked straight on for M54, but if you follow the lane markings on entering, one can actually turn right. The right hand lane is marked straight on or right, but if you use that lane to go straight on, you end up crossing lane markings that indicate otherwise.
It's a complete f
k up meant to deal with half a million new homes to be built in Telford, whilst ignoring the elephant in the room namely the M54. How the fk is a 40 year old two lane motorway supposed to cope with that much additional traffic?? Shortly, the M54 will be gridlocked East and Westbound with people trying to get to work in either Shrewsbury or the West Midlands.mmmm
Bit of a thread hijack, that was; sorry.
As you were.
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