RE: Mazda MX-5 RF: Driven

RE: Mazda MX-5 RF: Driven

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herebebeasties

672 posts

220 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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The Crack Fox said:
I really hate to disappoint you, but I have driven one. I have driven them all, in fact, and even the MGB and Elan that inspired the original. Here's a film I made celebrating 25 years of the MX-5. ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZudJiJcw3s I even made a film about why a good mk1 makes more sense than the new MX-5, the very early MX-5 featured is my own car, I've owned it for a decade, see here ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LKk5TzC-gI

No offence taken. x
Fair enough if that's your opinion. Your original comment contained assertions that were plain wrong, with a throwaway, troll-like tone. You can hardly blame me for assuming you didn't know what you're talking about. smash

I find that Mazda can produce a new MX-5 that's only 120Kg heavier than the original 1989 Mk1, given the advances in safety, rigidity, etc. quite enterprising of them. They could have just make the interior plastics better, the whole car heavier, and given it a turbo, like everyone else does. That they've taken the lightweight route instead and that it's one of the last remaining NA, RWD, relatively lightweight sports cars, with high compression ratio, high RPM peak torque and a limited slip diff (on the 2.0 anyway), is in my mind to be commended by petrolheads everywhere.

I'm not sure what you'd change to make this more "brave" without destroying its market. Would you care to give some specifics?

ian2144

1,665 posts

223 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Mr-B said:
ian2144 said:
I'm guessing the boot space in this will be even smaller than the soft top and that's only big enough for 2 or 3 Tesco bags.
3 litres less than the soft top.

I thought the design was quite brave, they could have just done a safe re-make of what they did with the Mk3's folding hard top, fair play to them for trying this.
I ended up with a GT86 loads of room in it for luggage and SWMBO biggrin

Superhoop

4,680 posts

194 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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ian2144 said:
I'm guessing the boot space in this will be even smaller than the soft top and that's only big enough for 2 or 3 Tesco bags.
It's exactly the same at 42 litres...

j_s14a

863 posts

179 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Needs some slightly more agressive offset wheels, lowering, and a Jaguar XK style ducktail spoiler on the bootlid IMO, but it has the makings of a great looking little car.

Vocht

1,631 posts

165 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Yes it may be £2,000 more, but with that roof it starts to feel and look like a £20k+ car. Unfortunately the standard car at £20K (for a decent spec) seems rather expensive, especially as you can pick up a very nice mk1 for 20% of that cost.

The RF brings the MX5 right into 2017 and should be celebrated for it.

Just looking at the NC's hardtop/soft-top sales figures you can see that in the real world, people don't mind losing that extra little bit of performance for the advantages and refinement of the hardtop and I can't see this one being any different.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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just wondering what (new)mass produced reliable sporty 2 seater convertible makes the mx5 at ~20k look expensive..?


TheDrBrian

5,444 posts

223 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Vocht said:
Yes it may be £2,000 more, but with that roof it starts to feel and look like a £20k+ car. Unfortunately the standard car at £20K (for a decent spec) seems rather expensive, especially as you can pick up a very nice mk1 for 20% of that cost.

The RF brings the MX5 right into 2017 and should be celebrated for it.

Just looking at the NC's hardtop/soft-top sales figures you can see that in the real world, people don't mind losing that extra little bit of performance for the advantages and refinement of the hardtop and I can't see this one being any different.
In 2017 a 20k car is a 1.2 golf.
Also that NA won't have LED headlights , Bluetooth , be as fast.

K666ADM

156 posts

192 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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If a 1992 Honda CRX Del Sol married then mated with a 1992 Toyota MR2 then I think this would be the millenial baby they created.
Will be nice to see one on the street and see if the proportions look the same as they do in the pics - have a feeling it will be better in the metal than in the pics.

londonbabe

2,045 posts

193 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Surprised to see no comments about the pretend glass bits on the buttresses.
They look awful. Either put windows there or don't have them.

It's even worse looking than the convertible, cos now they've messed up the back too, which was the only pretty part.

karlser

4 posts

96 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Why oh why not a fixed roof ?

It could have lots more luggage space that way, and transform the car from a toy into a proper mini-GT .
I really like the looks of the new design, but that's a wasted opportunity in my eyes .

roverspeed

700 posts

197 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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The Crack Fox said:
I really hate to disappoint you, but I have driven one. I have driven them all, in fact, and even the MGB and Elan that inspired the original. Here's a film I made celebrating 25 years of the MX-5. ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZudJiJcw3s I even made a film about why a good mk1 makes more sense than the new MX-5, the very early MX-5 featured is my own car, I've owned it for a decade, see here ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LKk5TzC-gI

No offence taken. x




Edited by The Crack Fox on Tuesday 17th January 21:30
You scoffed at the nd having climate control, my 1991 NA import has aircon, hardly much different is it?

M1C

1,834 posts

112 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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It looks great. Look forward to seeing these on the road. Really nicely done.

MustardCutter

238 posts

121 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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grumbledoak said:
I saw one of those at Goodwood FOS. It was the only manufacturer car I took photos of. They are very pretty in the metal. yes
Indeed, I spent ages gawping at it at the FoS.

Sway

26,330 posts

195 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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The Crack Fox said:
RobDickinson said:
You on crack?
Yes. It's delicious.
Decidedly moreish in my opinion...

Back to the car, really wasn't sure when the initial pics were released, but as others have said on the flesh at FoS out did look really quite nice. Yes, an awkward view from a couple of angles but very pleasant.

Unfortunately, I couldn't get over the electric steering in the convertible, nor the fact that my head was about four inches away from the header rail. Lack of cabin storage is irritating too.

Perhaps in ten years once I've bored of my current mk2, and the aftermarket have geared up to enable me to build the vast I'd really want.

will-w

253 posts

202 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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I am sorry Mazda, but I think it looks terrible! frown

spikyone

1,472 posts

101 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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TheDrBrian said:
Vocht said:
Yes it may be £2,000 more, but with that roof it starts to feel and look like a £20k+ car. Unfortunately the standard car at £20K (for a decent spec) seems rather expensive, especially as you can pick up a very nice mk1 for 20% of that cost.

The RF brings the MX5 right into 2017 and should be celebrated for it.

Just looking at the NC's hardtop/soft-top sales figures you can see that in the real world, people don't mind losing that extra little bit of performance for the advantages and refinement of the hardtop and I can't see this one being any different.
In 2017 a 20k car is a 1.2 golf.
Also that NA won't have LED headlights , Bluetooth , be as fast.
Precisely. When a range-topping Golf/Focus/Civic is £30k, a sports car for £22k looks like a bargain. Not sure how Vocht can suggest that a car is expensive based on the fact that a 20 year old car costs considerably less anyway, but then this is PH.

To me, the RF looks like it needs to be a bit wider. The extra height of the buttresses just makes it look too narrow, especially in that rear three quarter view. But I guess that adding even more bespoke panels would've made it cost a whole lot more than £20k, and I'm sure aesthetics don't really matter when you're chucking it down a suitably twisty road anyway.

edwheels

256 posts

147 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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Hmmm - not sure about this RF version.

I had, until recently, the Mk3 MX5 Coupe.

One thing which always annoyed me about the Mk3 Coupe was, top down, an excessive amount of of cold wind hitting the back of your head. Compared to, say, a Toyota MR2 Mk3 which I always found very civilised top down in comparison. It was also, I gather, worse than the normal softop in this respect due to the slightly different boot lid design.

When I saw the RF I thought it was true targa top but as the rear window folds away top down, I would image the problem would still be same - maybe worse. In fact reading a few early road tests it seems there is also a big problem with wind buffeting too around the buttresses over 55MPH with the top down.

So, overall I think I would pass on this and go for the softop should I be in the market for one in the future.

On the positive side, I think it looks pretty good from most angles and I am sure it is more refined top-up.

Fury1630

393 posts

228 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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All those arms, pivots, motors, a computer no doubt - just for effectively a sunroof?

No thanks.

freeform

53 posts

161 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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It's quite a pretty thing, IMO. If the car lives on the street, as a daily driver, I can see it being the attractive option. As a garaged plaything, the roadster would be best no doubt, but like its predecessors it they will probably only become playthings in the used market.

Also better than a lift-off hardtop which, like my S2000's, stands in the garage waiting for me to reverse the Honda into it.

Itsallicanafford

2,772 posts

160 months

Wednesday 18th January 2017
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herebebeasties said:
The Crack Fox said:
Every generation gets taller, fatter, frumpier and less fun, doesn't it? So predictable, so dull...

Be brave, Mazda!
One shouldn't feed the trolls, but the new car is:
* 5mm lower
* 42kg lighter
* Less cutesy/frumpy in design (subjective, I guess, but how anyone with eyes could genuinely think otherwise eludes me)
* Generally rated by most motoring journalists as a better effort than the car it replaces

Have you actually driven one, or even an older one with which to compare? Thought not.
Crickey, you are on shaky ground calling the crack fox a troll!