RE: New Ford Mustang!

[powerstroke]

NJ72 said:

Is it me or does it just look like an angular version of the Jaguar XKR?

Looks like they are heading in the same direction as Jaguar and the next redesign will look like an Audi too
sad really I will miss mustangs that look like mustangs , OT but will Jaguar ever do a retro look again or is euro look blandness what
sells the most cars ???

[Matt Harper]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

I think its about 7k std. My remapped V8 will now rev to 7500rpm, and you can go higher too.

Does this tuner defeat the factory rev-limiter? I wonder what, if any impact that would have on the durability of the engine.
I remember that Ford made some quite significant alterations to the 5.0 rotating assembly, heads, Intake and sump baffle to allow the Boss 302 to rev to 7500 without losing the reliability of the 7000 limited 5.0GT.

I think I'd be nervous about running that hard without forged pistons/rods, sodium cooled valves, tougher oil pump drive and a more efficient windage tray.

Not a criticism - just an observation/curiosity.

[V88Dicky]

MrHooky said:

Exactly what I thought. No bad thing necessarily, as both very good looking cars to my eyes. Motor industry is so incestuous you'll probably find the person who designed this may have had a hand in the XK...

Really is a great looking coupe in my opinion, both in garish (orange) and that grey above. The issue for me is (and I've had a passenger ride in the V8) is the interior. Call me a snob but after a few Audis and BMWs (all being c.10 years old) the Mustang interior was still light years behind the German competition of yesteryear. It really didn't feel very nice inside despite looking fabulous from the outside...

Plus I didn't think the V8 felt very quick...

I doubt Ian Callum has had any part in styling this Mustang, as nice as it is.

[GlennT]

The Spruce goose said:

GlennT said:

Who is Dwayne Johnson?

he's an international organ player, best in the biz. Done all the best locations Blackpool, Scarborough etc

his nickname 'the rock' stems from his ability to sit steadfast at the pipes, playing non stop for hours with no key drops.

Thought as much!. So he can pull all the stops!

[croyde]

Front is too droopy and not cohesive with the rest of the car.

eg The ridges on the bonnet no longer match the ridges on the roof. Looks a Ness.

Like the new rear lights and quad exhaust though.

I was having my 2016 GT serviced this week and noticed an Ecoboost in the showroom at the same price I paid for my V8 a year ago.

I feel I got a hell of a bargain.

[Gibbo205]

Matt Harper said:

Does this tuner defeat the factory rev-limiter? I wonder what, if any impact that would have on the durability of the engine.
I remember that Ford made some quite significant alterations to the 5.0 rotating assembly, heads, Intake and sump baffle to allow the Boss 302 to rev to 7500 without losing the reliability of the 7000 limited 5.0GT.

I think I'd be nervous about running that hard without forged pistons/rods, sodium cooled valves, tougher oil pump drive and a more efficient windage tray.

Not a criticism - just an observation/curiosity.

Factory limiter is either 6850 or 7000rpm, I can't remember which one.

All 5.0 Coyote GT's in the S550 carry over all the BOSS 302 upgrades, so we have the forged pistons etc. This is why S550 makes absolutely huge power under FI, people are pushing engines upto 1000HP on stock internals, though they do eventually pop at 900+ levels and it is recommended to upgrade the oil pump gears on forced induction cars due to increased harmonics. Cost around $500 in parts and 6-8hr labour to upgrade, plenty of cars in UK and USA running 800 horses reliable. You can even buy factory cars with as high as 750HP which have no engine upgrades from likes of Shelby, Saleen, Roush and Steeda.

NA wise people are revving as high as 8300rpm on stock engines, no failures reported yet. Ford Power pack 1 & 2 increase the RPM cut off to 7200rpm and Power Pack 3 which is what I am running increases the RPM limiter to 7500rpm. I actually have my limiter increased to 7900rpm.
With Power Pack 3, the car makes peak power at 7200rpm and then holds that power flat upto 8000rpm, it loves to rev. The stock car peaks at 6400rpm and power falls off massively beyond 6500rpm. At 7000rpm I am 40HP up and by 7500rpm I am over 60HP up. Engine loves to rev.

Its a great engine, the MY18 5.0 is re-worked internally with an increase in compression ratio from 11:1 to 12:1 along with direct and port fuel injection. Rumours are power will be around 455HP and new stock RPM limiter will be around 7500rpm. Even better is a remap and CAI will no doubt see this get very close to 500HP as Ford seem to like leaving a lot on the table in their stock maps.

Edited by Gibbo205 on Friday 20th January 20:03

[Gibbo205]

Some more images:








Loving how super aggressive this new front-end looks once a splitter is added.

[GlennT]

The Spruce goose said:

GlennT said:

Who is Dwayne Johnson?

he's an international organ player, best in the biz. Done all the best locations Blackpool, Scarborough etc

his nickname 'the rock' stems from his ability to sit steadfast at the pipes, playing non stop for hours with no key drops.

Thought as much!. So he can pull all the stops!

[Matt Harper]

Gibbo205 said:

Matt Harper said:

Does this tuner defeat the factory rev-limiter? I wonder what, if any impact that would have on the durability of the engine.
I remember that Ford made some quite significant alterations to the 5.0 rotating assembly, heads, Intake and sump baffle to allow the Boss 302 to rev to 7500 without losing the reliability of the 7000 limited 5.0GT.

I think I'd be nervous about running that hard without forged pistons/rods, sodium cooled valves, tougher oil pump drive and a more efficient windage tray.

Not a criticism - just an observation/curiosity.

Factory limiter is either 6850 or 7000rpm, I can't remember which one.

All 5.0 Coyote GT's in the S550 carry over all the BOSS 302 upgrades, so we have the forged pistons etc. This is why S550 makes absolutely huge power under FI, people are pushing engines upto 1000HP on stock internals, though they do eventually pop at 900+ levels and it is recommended to upgrade the oil pump gears on forced induction cars due to increased harmonics.

Edited by Gibbo205 on Friday 20th January 20:03

I'm not sure this is correct - I think S550 carried over forged rods (that every Coyote has always had), got more efficient tubular headers (except RHD) an oil cooler and slightly better flowing head castings.
I don't think it has forged pistons - or hollow/cooled valves - or the short runner intake that makes power higher up the rev range (your comment about stock GT hp degradation above 6500rpm).

I would have thought that running a ostensibly stock GT up to 7000 without a Boss or GT350 short runner intake is pretty much a pointless (and potentially piston damaging) exercise.

[tuffer]

Safe as houses...... https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/ford-mus...

[Centurion07]

“We have concerns about the Ford Mustang’s crash protection of adults and children which also makes it unsuitable for having rear passengers."

Yes, it's the crash protection that makes it unsuitable for rear passengers. Or is it the, literally, 6" of legroom and ZERO headroom if they're over 5'5"?



Don't like the safety rating? Don't crash.

[Jordan210]

Here is the ncap test results in full

http://www.euroncap.com/en/results/ford/mustang/26...

32% for Child Occupant


Looks like the last car to score 2 stars was the Lancia Ypsilon in 2015

[Regiment]

Considering all the Mustang crashes I've heard about, every single person walked away. The American version of the NCAP rating also gave it 5 stars?

[SpamCan]

Given the car is a 2+2 and the rear seats, though comfy for short persons, are somewhat of an afterthought the results are to be expected.

The accident assistance stuff makes me smile though; what happened to actually keeping your eyes on the road, moving your head to check a blind spot and taking a break so that you aren't so tired that you wander in and out of lane like a drunk on a push bike. Or are they all things that people have forgotten how to do?

[kambites]

SpamCan said:

Given the car is a 2+2 and the rear seats, though comfy for short persons, are somewhat of an afterthought the results are to be expected.

I'd imagine a pretty significant proportion of buyers would be intending to regularly use the back seats for kids. I think the "child occupant" part of the result is what'll really hurt them if they can't sort it out.

[SturdyHSV]

Regiment said:

Considering all the Mustang crashes I've heard about, every single person walked away.

The occupants perhaps, but the thousands of car show crowds they've mown down can't all have survived

[Tryke3]

This car looks so out of place on uk roads

[99dndd]

Will the handbrake be on the right side of the cupholders on the UK version?

[Centurion07]

to both the last 2 posts.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Regiment said:

Considering all the Mustang crashes I've heard about, every single person walked away. The American version of the NCAP rating also gave it 5 stars?

there is an autocar article relating to this result explaining a lot of the US safety kit was removed for the eu cars to make them cheaper