Performance stats BMW 850?
Discussion
J4CKO said:
ging84 said:
It came out in 1989
there were not many normal engines producing more than 300hp of any size
It was 24v head, so was not really the most modern or high performance engine
Same engine re tuned with a 48v head was in the mclaren F1
Yeah, a 320D would probably outdrag it, well, a 325D definitely would but what a hollow victory that would be.there were not many normal engines producing more than 300hp of any size
It was 24v head, so was not really the most modern or high performance engine
Same engine re tuned with a 48v head was in the mclaren F1
Getting on for a 30 year old design, still looks amazingly good and it is fast enough really, it is just things have got a bit daft these days, you can get a 1 series with 40 bhp more that isnt even an M car.
Amazing how we are all obsessed with being pinned to the seat by acceleration.
I did notice in a couple of tests that the new rwd Alfa diesel 4-pot is a smidge faster than the 320d
J4CKO said:
Yeah, a 320D would probably outdrag it, well, a 325D definitely would but what a hollow victory that would be.
Getting on for a 30 year old design, still looks amazingly good and it is fast enough really, it is just things have got a bit daft these days, you can get a 1 series with 40 bhp more that isnt even an M car.
Amazing how we are all obsessed with being pinned to the seat by acceleration.
Yes, this is very important to remember and keep in mind. For a car in production over a quarter of a century ago the performance still isn't exactly "bad" and was considered "good" in its day and maybe not of such relevance today? Weight was always against it but with that weight came certain benefits. Once up and running these cars feel like they go on and on, at very high speeds, crossing very long distances in comfort (and style). You just have to feel the weight of things like the doors or seats to appreciate why they are so heavy but also why the build quality is good.Getting on for a 30 year old design, still looks amazingly good and it is fast enough really, it is just things have got a bit daft these days, you can get a 1 series with 40 bhp more that isnt even an M car.
Amazing how we are all obsessed with being pinned to the seat by acceleration.
I own an 840Ci Sport and an E34 540i. The 540i is actually the faster car by virtue of a quite significant weight advantage but if I had to go a long distance fast...I'd rather be doing it in the E31.
(Gratuitous photo-whoring opportunity
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http://www.bmwclassics.co.uk/gallery/index.php?spg...
http://www.bmwclassics.co.uk/gallery/index.php?spg...
derin100 said:
J4CKO said:
Yeah, a 320D would probably outdrag it, well, a 325D definitely would but what a hollow victory that would be.
Getting on for a 30 year old design, still looks amazingly good and it is fast enough really, it is just things have got a bit daft these days, you can get a 1 series with 40 bhp more that isnt even an M car.
Amazing how we are all obsessed with being pinned to the seat by acceleration.
Yes, this is very important to remember and keep in mind. For a car in production over a quarter of a century ago the performance still isn't exactly "bad" and was considered "good" in its day and maybe not of such relevance today? Weight was always against it but with that weight came certain benefits. Once up and running these cars feel like they go on and on, at very high speeds, crossing very long distances in comfort (and style). You just have to feel the weight of things like the doors or seats to appreciate why they are so heavy but also why the build quality is good.Getting on for a 30 year old design, still looks amazingly good and it is fast enough really, it is just things have got a bit daft these days, you can get a 1 series with 40 bhp more that isnt even an M car.
Amazing how we are all obsessed with being pinned to the seat by acceleration.
I own an 840Ci Sport and an E34 540i. The 540i is actually the faster car by virtue of a quite significant weight advantage but if I had to go a long distance fast...I'd rather be doing it in the E31.
(Gratuitous photo-whoring opportunity
)http://www.bmwclassics.co.uk/gallery/index.php?spg...
http://www.bmwclassics.co.uk/gallery/index.php?spg...
Not having a go at the performance, they were quick their day and still plenty fast enough nowadays, it has just changed a lot but I think performance figures are a very blunt instrument for deciding the worthiness and desirability of a car.
MarshPhantom said:
Anyone have any facts and figures about these? Only because I came across a video on Youtube naming it as one of the worst performance cars of all time, I can no longer find the video but...
5 Litre V12 - 300bhp - true.
Weight - not that far off 2 tons - true
0-60 - not far off 9 seconds.
Online stats claim 0-60 in 6 seconds - hard to believe such an underpowered lard arse would be capable of that.
Any know the truth?
This video?5 Litre V12 - 300bhp - true.
Weight - not that far off 2 tons - true
0-60 - not far off 9 seconds.
Online stats claim 0-60 in 6 seconds - hard to believe such an underpowered lard arse would be capable of that.
Any know the truth?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbxy5iKNmxM
Watched it the other night.
The state 0-60 in over 7 seconds I think.
s m said:
And those group tests were always hilarious back in the day.
"The Jag/Rolls Royce is by far the worst car here objectively, but subjectively speaking, it's the winner!"
CRA1G said:
This is my 840 sport individual which I've owned for years as part of my small Dakar collection,totally original spec,low miles with FSH,as already been said at 286 BHP makes it a very comfortable tourer but no traffic light racer,but i love them....
derin100 said:
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When your car looks this good, I'm not sure you'd want to be going too fast anyway..... )It's important to remember that in 1989 an M3 took over 7 seconds to get to 60, a Golf GTi 8v was 9.3s and the 16V 7.5. Even the Ferrari 328 GTS took 6.6s. (I used http://www.top0-60times.com for all of those - sorry for any inaccuracies). Times have changed - as another poster said, we're all obsessed with straight line performance now. Sure, the 850 never was a supercar, but it wasn't supposed to be - it was a GT car with a lovely big naturally aspirated engine for wafting around Europe (and picking up girls, according to Will Smith 
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Devil2575 said:
MarshPhantom said:
Anyone have any facts and figures about these? Only because I came across a video on Youtube naming it as one of the worst performance cars of all time, I can no longer find the video but...
5 Litre V12 - 300bhp - true.
Weight - not that far off 2 tons - true
0-60 - not far off 9 seconds.
Online stats claim 0-60 in 6 seconds - hard to believe such an underpowered lard arse would be capable of that.
Any know the truth?
This video?5 Litre V12 - 300bhp - true.
Weight - not that far off 2 tons - true
0-60 - not far off 9 seconds.
Online stats claim 0-60 in 6 seconds - hard to believe such an underpowered lard arse would be capable of that.
Any know the truth?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbxy5iKNmxM
Watched it the other night.
The state 0-60 in over 7 seconds I think.
MarshPhantom said:
Devil2575 said:
MarshPhantom said:
Anyone have any facts and figures about these? Only because I came across a video on Youtube naming it as one of the worst performance cars of all time, I can no longer find the video but...
5 Litre V12 - 300bhp - true.
Weight - not that far off 2 tons - true
0-60 - not far off 9 seconds.
Online stats claim 0-60 in 6 seconds - hard to believe such an underpowered lard arse would be capable of that.
Any know the truth?
This video?5 Litre V12 - 300bhp - true.
Weight - not that far off 2 tons - true
0-60 - not far off 9 seconds.
Online stats claim 0-60 in 6 seconds - hard to believe such an underpowered lard arse would be capable of that.
Any know the truth?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbxy5iKNmxM
Watched it the other night.
The state 0-60 in over 7 seconds I think.
RobM77 said:
MarshPhantom said:
Devil2575 said:
MarshPhantom said:
Anyone have any facts and figures about these? Only because I came across a video on Youtube naming it as one of the worst performance cars of all time, I can no longer find the video but...
5 Litre V12 - 300bhp - true.
Weight - not that far off 2 tons - true
0-60 - not far off 9 seconds.
Online stats claim 0-60 in 6 seconds - hard to believe such an underpowered lard arse would be capable of that.
Any know the truth?
This video?5 Litre V12 - 300bhp - true.
Weight - not that far off 2 tons - true
0-60 - not far off 9 seconds.
Online stats claim 0-60 in 6 seconds - hard to believe such an underpowered lard arse would be capable of that.
Any know the truth?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbxy5iKNmxM
Watched it the other night.
The state 0-60 in over 7 seconds I think.
Edited by MarshPhantom on Friday 20th January 15:47
I had an 850i for about ten years. Mine was a manual version. The mid range of the V12 was actually quite good. The manual was a totally different experience however and the mid range could be used to very good effect in overtaking.
I then bought an E39 M5 which I also had quite a time, but I couldn't bring myself to sell the 8 series for quite a while after I stopped using it. The E39 would out perform it in nearly any quantifiable way including the fuel consumption which was very poor on the eight series.
Even with all that it took me three or four more years to sell the 8, and I still regret it.
I then bought an E39 M5 which I also had quite a time, but I couldn't bring myself to sell the 8 series for quite a while after I stopped using it. The E39 would out perform it in nearly any quantifiable way including the fuel consumption which was very poor on the eight series.
Even with all that it took me three or four more years to sell the 8, and I still regret it.
As I've said on a few 850 threads now it was an odd car for an odd time. When I bought my car you could get a Dinan twin turbo upgrade that would make 500bhp. It 1990 500 bhp was bonkers performance.
I so wish I'd kept the car and done that to it. Problem was the cost of the upgrade was also bonkers money at the time. It would have been a seriously cool car with that upgrade
I so wish I'd kept the car and done that to it. Problem was the cost of the upgrade was also bonkers money at the time. It would have been a seriously cool car with that upgrade
RobM77 said:
Regarding an underpowered lard arse being capable of that, 2 tonnes and 300bhp is 150bhp/tonne, which is roughly what a 330ci has, so it's not too far fetched is it? BMW quote 7 seconds for those, but I recorded 6 dead in mine a couple of times - BMW quote with passengers, luggage, full tank of fuel etc, whereas most subsequent aftermarket tests will be how most of us drive - half a tank, ourselves a wallet and a mobile phone and that's it.
That will have been in a manual 330?Don't forget the 850i has an old school auto box which will slow things down a little bit.
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