'Another thing to go wrong'
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OK, enough of the electric hand brake bashing - just stop right there and take a breath. ...... Good.
Now all the people on PH are powerfully built types, with rippling muscles, and a huge amount of manual dexterity. So you don't struggle with a handbrake. But a little old lady with a big car might, or anyone with short legs that is not in a good position to pull the handbrake up. And with an electronic one, it always goes on consistently. And it can be made to come on a little bit more depending on the slope,and the temperature of the brakes, or if the car moves. And it does better hill starts than most. And it won't allow the car to roll backwards. So you see there are a few significant advantages to EPB's Add to that the packing space, and the easier assembly costs, and the fact manufacturers don't need to build that silly little drum brake inside the disc, and they become cheaper and better then the mechanical version. (You think mechanical versions are good - anyone had trouble with an E39 handbrake? - what a pile of rubbish)
Of course they do break. And I have to declare an interest, as my little company specialises in repairing them. So, in my personal opinion, the electric hand brake is a wonderful thing, and everyone should have at least 10 of them.
Now all the people on PH are powerfully built types, with rippling muscles, and a huge amount of manual dexterity. So you don't struggle with a handbrake. But a little old lady with a big car might, or anyone with short legs that is not in a good position to pull the handbrake up. And with an electronic one, it always goes on consistently. And it can be made to come on a little bit more depending on the slope,and the temperature of the brakes, or if the car moves. And it does better hill starts than most. And it won't allow the car to roll backwards. So you see there are a few significant advantages to EPB's Add to that the packing space, and the easier assembly costs, and the fact manufacturers don't need to build that silly little drum brake inside the disc, and they become cheaper and better then the mechanical version. (You think mechanical versions are good - anyone had trouble with an E39 handbrake? - what a pile of rubbish)
Of course they do break. And I have to declare an interest, as my little company specialises in repairing them. So, in my personal opinion, the electric hand brake is a wonderful thing, and everyone should have at least 10 of them.
bearman68 said:
OK, enough of the electric hand brake bashing - just stop right there and take a breath. ...... Good.
Now all the people on PH are powerfully built types, with rippling muscles, and a huge amount of manual dexterity. So you don't struggle with a handbrake. But a little old lady with a big car might, or anyone with short legs that is not in a good position to pull the handbrake up. And with an electronic one, it always goes on consistently. And it can be made to come on a little bit more depending on the slope,and the temperature of the brakes, or if the car moves. And it does better hill starts than most. And it won't allow the car to roll backwards. So you see there are a few significant advantages to EPB's Add to that the packing space, and the easier assembly costs, and the fact manufacturers don't need to build that silly little drum brake inside the disc, and they become cheaper and better then the mechanical version. (You think mechanical versions are good - anyone had trouble with an E39 handbrake? - what a pile of rubbish)
Of course they do break. And I have to declare an interest, as my little company specialises in repairing them. So, in my personal opinion, the electric hand brake is a wonderful thing, and everyone should have at least 10 of them.
haha pmsl best answer to that question Now all the people on PH are powerfully built types, with rippling muscles, and a huge amount of manual dexterity. So you don't struggle with a handbrake. But a little old lady with a big car might, or anyone with short legs that is not in a good position to pull the handbrake up. And with an electronic one, it always goes on consistently. And it can be made to come on a little bit more depending on the slope,and the temperature of the brakes, or if the car moves. And it does better hill starts than most. And it won't allow the car to roll backwards. So you see there are a few significant advantages to EPB's Add to that the packing space, and the easier assembly costs, and the fact manufacturers don't need to build that silly little drum brake inside the disc, and they become cheaper and better then the mechanical version. (You think mechanical versions are good - anyone had trouble with an E39 handbrake? - what a pile of rubbish)
Of course they do break. And I have to declare an interest, as my little company specialises in repairing them. So, in my personal opinion, the electric hand brake is a wonderful thing, and everyone should have at least 10 of them.
All the old cars pretty much have IC engines, complicated and wear our, what you want for total reliability is an Electric motor.
If anyone tells me says an old Mini or Morris Minor was better because it was more simple I wouldnt agree, points were s
t, you had to grease everything every month, the leaked oil, they didnt start easily the minute it rained.
If anyone tells me says an old Mini or Morris Minor was better because it was more simple I wouldnt agree, points were s
t, you had to grease everything every month, the leaked oil, they didnt start easily the minute it rained.ian316 said:
bearman68 said:
OK, enough of the electric hand brake bashing - just stop right there and take a breath. ...... Good.
Now all the people on PH are powerfully built types, with rippling muscles, and a huge amount of manual dexterity. So you don't struggle with a handbrake. But a little old lady with a big car might, or anyone with short legs that is not in a good position to pull the handbrake up. And with an electronic one, it always goes on consistently. And it can be made to come on a little bit more depending on the slope,and the temperature of the brakes, or if the car moves. And it does better hill starts than most. And it won't allow the car to roll backwards. So you see there are a few significant advantages to EPB's Add to that the packing space, and the easier assembly costs, and the fact manufacturers don't need to build that silly little drum brake inside the disc, and they become cheaper and better then the mechanical version. (You think mechanical versions are good - anyone had trouble with an E39 handbrake? - what a pile of rubbish)
Of course they do break. And I have to declare an interest, as my little company specialises in repairing them. So, in my personal opinion, the electric hand brake is a wonderful thing, and everyone should have at least 10 of them.
haha pmsl best answer to that question Now all the people on PH are powerfully built types, with rippling muscles, and a huge amount of manual dexterity. So you don't struggle with a handbrake. But a little old lady with a big car might, or anyone with short legs that is not in a good position to pull the handbrake up. And with an electronic one, it always goes on consistently. And it can be made to come on a little bit more depending on the slope,and the temperature of the brakes, or if the car moves. And it does better hill starts than most. And it won't allow the car to roll backwards. So you see there are a few significant advantages to EPB's Add to that the packing space, and the easier assembly costs, and the fact manufacturers don't need to build that silly little drum brake inside the disc, and they become cheaper and better then the mechanical version. (You think mechanical versions are good - anyone had trouble with an E39 handbrake? - what a pile of rubbish)
Of course they do break. And I have to declare an interest, as my little company specialises in repairing them. So, in my personal opinion, the electric hand brake is a wonderful thing, and everyone should have at least 10 of them.
Boosted LS1 said:
ian316 said:
bearman68 said:
OK, enough of the electric hand brake bashing - just stop right there and take a breath. ...... Good.
Now all the people on PH are powerfully built types, with rippling muscles, and a huge amount of manual dexterity. So you don't struggle with a handbrake. But a little old lady with a big car might, or anyone with short legs that is not in a good position to pull the handbrake up. And with an electronic one, it always goes on consistently. And it can be made to come on a little bit more depending on the slope,and the temperature of the brakes, or if the car moves. And it does better hill starts than most. And it won't allow the car to roll backwards. So you see there are a few significant advantages to EPB's Add to that the packing space, and the easier assembly costs, and the fact manufacturers don't need to build that silly little drum brake inside the disc, and they become cheaper and better then the mechanical version. (You think mechanical versions are good - anyone had trouble with an E39 handbrake? - what a pile of rubbish)
Of course they do break. And I have to declare an interest, as my little company specialises in repairing them. So, in my personal opinion, the electric hand brake is a wonderful thing, and everyone should have at least 10 of them.
haha pmsl best answer to that question Now all the people on PH are powerfully built types, with rippling muscles, and a huge amount of manual dexterity. So you don't struggle with a handbrake. But a little old lady with a big car might, or anyone with short legs that is not in a good position to pull the handbrake up. And with an electronic one, it always goes on consistently. And it can be made to come on a little bit more depending on the slope,and the temperature of the brakes, or if the car moves. And it does better hill starts than most. And it won't allow the car to roll backwards. So you see there are a few significant advantages to EPB's Add to that the packing space, and the easier assembly costs, and the fact manufacturers don't need to build that silly little drum brake inside the disc, and they become cheaper and better then the mechanical version. (You think mechanical versions are good - anyone had trouble with an E39 handbrake? - what a pile of rubbish)
Of course they do break. And I have to declare an interest, as my little company specialises in repairing them. So, in my personal opinion, the electric hand brake is a wonderful thing, and everyone should have at least 10 of them.
Complete with a foot operated parking brake?
55palfers said:
Boosted LS1 said:
ian316 said:
bearman68 said:
OK, enough of the electric hand brake bashing - just stop right there and take a breath. ...... Good.
Now all the people on PH are powerfully built types, with rippling muscles, and a huge amount of manual dexterity. So you don't struggle with a handbrake. But a little old lady with a big car might, or anyone with short legs that is not in a good position to pull the handbrake up. And with an electronic one, it always goes on consistently. And it can be made to come on a little bit more depending on the slope,and the temperature of the brakes, or if the car moves. And it does better hill starts than most. And it won't allow the car to roll backwards. So you see there are a few significant advantages to EPB's Add to that the packing space, and the easier assembly costs, and the fact manufacturers don't need to build that silly little drum brake inside the disc, and they become cheaper and better then the mechanical version. (You think mechanical versions are good - anyone had trouble with an E39 handbrake? - what a pile of rubbish)
Of course they do break. And I have to declare an interest, as my little company specialises in repairing them. So, in my personal opinion, the electric hand brake is a wonderful thing, and everyone should have at least 10 of them.
haha pmsl best answer to that question Now all the people on PH are powerfully built types, with rippling muscles, and a huge amount of manual dexterity. So you don't struggle with a handbrake. But a little old lady with a big car might, or anyone with short legs that is not in a good position to pull the handbrake up. And with an electronic one, it always goes on consistently. And it can be made to come on a little bit more depending on the slope,and the temperature of the brakes, or if the car moves. And it does better hill starts than most. And it won't allow the car to roll backwards. So you see there are a few significant advantages to EPB's Add to that the packing space, and the easier assembly costs, and the fact manufacturers don't need to build that silly little drum brake inside the disc, and they become cheaper and better then the mechanical version. (You think mechanical versions are good - anyone had trouble with an E39 handbrake? - what a pile of rubbish)
Of course they do break. And I have to declare an interest, as my little company specialises in repairing them. So, in my personal opinion, the electric hand brake is a wonderful thing, and everyone should have at least 10 of them.
Complete with a foot operated parking brake?
Boosted LS1 said:
Why do you need it?
Because it's convenient and works really well? It's automatically applied for me at traffic lights, it automatically disengages when I pull away and it automatically applies itself when I park the car. It holds the car perfectly and works every time. It's great.By contrast the manual handbrake on my E39 530i was **** when i got the car at 4 years old and is still **** 11 years later.
I don't post much on here but here is my take on it , more and more people don't want to change gear /dsg joke of a gearbox ha ha /cant or don't want to pull a hand brake /can't or don't want to switch on wipers or headlights /can't park ect . You people need a driver / taxi or the bus , driving is just that driving not being driven by the car .
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Conversely, have you ever heard of an electronic parking brake failing, leaving the car careering down a hill? Manual parking brakes, on the other hand....A pilots phrase,
'Better to be on the ground and stuck, wishing you were in the air, than being in the air and wishing you were down there...'
Fox- said:
Boosted LS1 said:
Why do you need it?
Because it's convenient and works really well? It's automatically applied for me at traffic lights, it automatically disengages when I pull away and it automatically applies itself when I park the car. It holds the car perfectly and works every time. It's great.By contrast the manual handbrake on my E39 530i was **** when i got the car at 4 years old and is still **** 11 years later.
Boosted LS1 said:
I don't get you, how much automation do you want? How hard is it to use a conventional handbrake? Will you sleep walk into driverless drones because they do it all for you?
Manually operating a handbrake adds nothing to the experience of driving for me and takes up space in the interior. Why would you want one?Boosted LS1 said:
Fox- said:
Boosted LS1 said:
Why do you need it?
Because it's convenient and works really well? It's automatically applied for me at traffic lights, it automatically disengages when I pull away and it automatically applies itself when I park the car. It holds the car perfectly and works every time. It's great.By contrast the manual handbrake on my E39 530i was **** when i got the car at 4 years old and is still **** 11 years later.
Fox- said:
Boosted LS1 said:
I don't get you, how much automation do you want? How hard is it to use a conventional handbrake? Will you sleep walk into driverless drones because they do it all for you?
Manually operating a handbrake adds nothing to the experience of driving for me and takes up space in the interior. Why would you want one?Fox- said:
Boosted LS1 said:
I don't get you, how much automation do you want? How hard is it to use a conventional handbrake? Will you sleep walk into driverless drones because they do it all for you?
Manually operating a handbrake adds nothing to the experience of driving for me and takes up space in the interior. Why would you want one?Boosted LS1 said:
Me to, what a load of dross. The handbrake handle is about leverage. Even if bearman68 couldn't pull up the handle I'm sure my granny could and she's been dead for years. Does he want a leg simulator to press the brake pedal coz he's to weak? Guess what, I bet electronic handbrakes are linked to those retina blazing brake lights that seem to be about making a huge statement to.
Too, and because. Clearly your post is completely invalid due to poor punctuation. As for my physique - have you seen a bag of snakes? Fit as a butchers dog I am!And no, hand brakes are not linked to brake lights - they are linked to the brake pedal. <Sigh>
Anyway, everyone should have an EPB, as I have kids to feed
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