RE: Lamborghini Aventador S: Review
Discussion
Twoshoe said:
I'm surprised you didn't add that all SLKs are driven by hairdressers. Oops, sorry, wrong thread.
I agree, fantastic car; mad, silly, old-school perhaps but we should all be glad it exists. I'll have mine in that blue colour please.
Sorry, missed that cliche. Doesn't have a roof so isn't as stiff when cornering at 125mph as an LMP1 car so therefore it's crap. I agree, fantastic car; mad, silly, old-school perhaps but we should all be glad it exists. I'll have mine in that blue colour please.
Yes Lamborghini do a fantastic blue colour. Can't find the name but this
Kieran1985 said:
I just think that we are obsessed with cars that are "on a knife edge" and only really become exploitable or feel alive on a track. Like I said these are all road cars designed to be driven on the road. You take a Ferrari or a 650s or whatever for a blast and they are intimidating, will it bite and kill me. I'm not saying cars shouldn't be exciting but I do think there is a middle ground. It's a bit like what James May says with the Nurburgring. If a car is developed to be as sharp as it can be on a track, chances are it won't work as well on the road. It'll crash over bumps, spikey handling etc. We seem to judge cars on other people's opinions and what others may think about the car we chose to drive, rather than whether or not we actually enjoy or are capable of driving the thing in the first place where it was designed to be used. The only way I see you can emulate one of our friends or their footballing brethren would be to wrap it in some garish colour and fit the loudest exhaust you can. And they do that to any car they can. Not just Lamborghinis.
I can't imagine a better place for tuning out spikey handling than the Nurburgring. That is why they often feel dead in normal road driving. What do you want in a road car - spikey and engaging, or inert and stable? The funny thing is that inert/stable cars can be just as intimidating as cars with twitchy handling. You get no feedback change as you drive quicker, because the car is so stable there is nothing to report. You have to be going insanely quickly on the road to enter the interesting handling area, where the response of the car becomes non linear.
big_rob_sydney said:
So, roughly triple the price of a GTR only to have less performance unless chasing VMAX.
How on earth they find enough gullible fools to buy these is beyond me.
Mm yes I'm sure there are all manner of cars which could outdo the Aventador in various circumstances, from Teslas to chipped 335D's to Caterham. Which would also be the same for a GTR as it happens.How on earth they find enough gullible fools to buy these is beyond me.
Yipper said:
Maldini35 said:
F12 and Aventador 2017 Supercar kings?
Best wait till Geneva before making that call.
The lightweight Huracan Performante will be the supercar king of 2017. Rumours that it has just lapped the Nurburgring in 6.52 minutes, 5 to 20 seconds faster than the Porsche 918, Ferrari LF, McLaren P1 and Nissan GT-R Nismo.Best wait till Geneva before making that call.
Rumour from where anyway - desperate Lambo dealers?
I'm sure it's a cracking car but it won't be faster than a LF,P1, 918 without special prep like a hooky engine, super soft tyres etc.
Chris Harris once said that he "wouldn't even look at an Aventador as a driving experience" when he tested the original F12 - he also called that "the fastest street car he'd driven" - I wonder if Lambo have addressed those or if they've just done what they usually do and 'throw tuperware at it'.
big_rob_sydney said:
So, roughly triple the price of a GTR only to have less performance unless chasing VMAX.
How on earth they find enough gullible fools to buy these is beyond me.
Same argument can be applied to "insert tuner car here" and misses the point entirely.How on earth they find enough gullible fools to buy these is beyond me.
The GTR is a Nissan - this is a Lamborghini, drive them around other humans and their reactions explain the difference better than I ever could(*)
(*) and whatever petrolheads say about it, how your car looks and how people react to it matters to almost every single one of them - even if it's a lack of reaction that they crave, it matters.
WJNB said:
more the northern drug-dealers wheels of choice these days?
I think our dealer drives a black Astra...Joking aside, I'm not sure I've even seen a Lamborghini of any kind here in Sheffield. Hallam has its fair share of Ferraris and Astons, but not Lambos. Not many Mclarens either, now that I think about it.
Maldini35 said:
Yipper said:
Maldini35 said:
F12 and Aventador 2017 Supercar kings?
Best wait till Geneva before making that call.
The lightweight Huracan Performante will be the supercar king of 2017. Rumours that it has just lapped the Nurburgring in 6.52 minutes, 5 to 20 seconds faster than the Porsche 918, Ferrari LF, McLaren P1 and Nissan GT-R Nismo.Best wait till Geneva before making that call.
Rumour from where anyway - desperate Lambo dealers?
I'm sure it's a cracking car but it won't be faster than a LF,P1, 918 without special prep like a hooky engine, super soft tyres etc.
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/lamborghini/huracan...
Kawasicki said:
I can't imagine a better place for tuning out spikey handling than the Nurburgring. That is why they often feel dead in normal road driving. What do you want in a road car - spikey and engaging, or inert and stable? The funny thing is that inert/stable cars can be just as intimidating as cars with twitchy handling. You get no feedback change as you drive quicker, because the car is so stable there is nothing to report. You have to be going insanely quickly on the road to enter the interesting handling area, where the response of the car becomes non linear.
I guess I'm just saying there should be a middle ground between inert and spikey that is usable on the road and these reviews should be done in context. I fully expect a 458 speciale or the like to be razor sharp, edgy and feel alive as they are designed with track use in mind and that's fantastic but let's not expect that from every single run of the mill regular performance road car. Of course the aventador won't have the sharp front end of the sv. That's designed for track use where the standard car is designed for the road. If a slightly less keen turn in or less snappy back end aids confidence when driving on the road should we really right the whole car off as an understeery mess? 405dogvan said:
big_rob_sydney said:
So, roughly triple the price of a GTR only to have less performance unless chasing VMAX.
How on earth they find enough gullible fools to buy these is beyond me.
Same argument can be applied to "insert tuner car here" and misses the point entirely.How on earth they find enough gullible fools to buy these is beyond me.
The GTR is a Nissan - this is a Lamborghini, drive them around other humans and their reactions explain the difference better than I ever could(*)
(*) and whatever petrolheads say about it, how your car looks and how people react to it matters to almost every single one of them - even if it's a lack of reaction that they crave, it matters.
The GTR is a standard car, from a major manufacturer.
As far as reactions go, sorry, but that's just the whining emanating from shallow blowhards who crave validation from other shallow idiots.
anonymous said:
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You've missed the point. If a manufacturer try and make a super car more usable then it gets called boring and gets criticise by the press. Like lambo with the Huracan. That is an astonishing car that covers ground like not much else and is perfectly set up for the road yet it is constantly being put down. I'm not saying there isn't a place for the likes of a track orientated speciale or 675LT I just get tired of every road tester moaning just because the road car they are driving is not as focused as something like that. Like I have said a bit of context goes a long way. WJNB said:
Once the darling of the Knightsbridge set have not such blatant expressions of wealth become more the northern drug-dealers wheels of choice these days? Unsure? Think of recent media images & Youtube clips depicting buyers showing-off as they collect them from dealers. Hardly discreet & all a bit down-market & naff.
Don't care, still want one. Don't care how Chav everyone thinks it is, how much of a bell-end the vast proportion of the population would think I am, how utterly impractical and pointless it is, it's a 700 horsepower, V12 Lamborghini.
If seeing and hearing one of them tear up the road doesn't cause you to emit an involuntary 'phwwwaoooaahhhhh' then you're either not a petrolhead, an incredible snob or have no soul IMHO
The Wookie said:
WJNB said:
Once the darling of the Knightsbridge set have not such blatant expressions of wealth become more the northern drug-dealers wheels of choice these days? Unsure? Think of recent media images & Youtube clips depicting buyers showing-off as they collect them from dealers. Hardly discreet & all a bit down-market & naff.
Don't care, still want one. Don't care how Chav everyone thinks it is, how much of a bell-end the vast proportion of the population would think I am, how utterly impractical and pointless it is, it's a 700 horsepower, V12 Lamborghini.
If seeing and hearing one of them tear up the road doesn't cause you to emit an involuntary 'phwwwaoooaahhhhh' then you're either not a petrolhead, an incredible snob or have no soul IMHO
I'd be very happy to see one of these when I opened the garage door.
Yipper said:
New aero, better (road) tyres and good driver. It looks increasingly like the new Huracan is 5-10 seconds faster round the Nurb than the 918, LF and P1.
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/lamborghini/huracan...
Hmmm not exactly an unbiased assessment of a 'predicted' Ring lap from a Lamborghini engineer.http://www.motortrend.com/cars/lamborghini/huracan...
They're not the first and won't be the last manufacturer to talk up their product.
Donald tells us Mexico will pay for the wall, doesn't mean it's true.
I would say I'll believe it when I see it but sadly even if they do record an actual real world lap that quick, will we never know if it was in a production spec car?
If you've worked in the industry you'll know all about the concept of the 'Golden car'.
Ferrari are famous for it. Take an early pre-preproduction car and drop in an uprated race spec engine, record some crazy lap times, let a few journos drive it. Create some great headlines and a successful launch.
Then say nothing when customer cars can't get anywhere near the same performance...
Basically don't believe the hype.
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