Article 50 ruling due now

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hornetrider

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63,161 posts

204 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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I'm going with the govt to be defeated.

Orchid1

877 posts

107 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Whatever the ruling i'm not looking forward to social media being awash with people who don't actually fully understand it all spitting venom at one another for the rest of the day le sigh.

hornetrider

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63,161 posts

204 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Act of parliament is required.

Voted 8 to 3 in favour of that judgement.

SKP555

1,114 posts

125 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Seems fairly certain that the government will lose. Even as a die hard Brexiteer that's possibly not the wrong result, and I don't think it will change much long term.

Get on with "hard" Brexit.

ReallyReallyGood

1,620 posts

129 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Govt Lose.

hornetrider

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63,161 posts

204 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Sounds like the devolution argument incoming may be interesting.

0000

13,812 posts

190 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Interesting that this stuff comes down to differences in opinion.

I guess this won't take long to get through Parliament now anyway.

hornetrider

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63,161 posts

204 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Devolution govt consultation not required. Thank fk for that. Screw you Jimmy Krankie, etc

confused_buyer

6,610 posts

180 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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hornetrider said:
Sounds like the devolution argument incoming may be interesting.
Unanimous that they do not have to be consulted. HMG will be relieved by that.

55palfers

5,892 posts

163 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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How much has this pointless charade cost us? We pay Gina's costs too now I guess?

Surely no MP can vote against in Parliament, the public voted for Brexit - bloody well get on with it!


Oceanic

731 posts

100 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Good verdict based upon many of the Brexit plans were not made clear to the electorate before the referendum. Now at least there is some form of scrutiny of what this all is.

Gargamel

14,957 posts

260 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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55palfers said:
How much has this pointless charade cost us? We pay Gina's costs too now I guess?

Surely no MP can vote against in Parliament, the public voted for Brexit - bloody well get on with it!
This is what is so pointless about it, Labour Party policy is to support the Government. Yes a few will rebel and vote against but its gesture politics. JC has already committed labour to support, so it will pass in the commons - I think it is the Lords that will be the tricky part

Oceanic

731 posts

100 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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55palfers said:
How much has this pointless charade cost us? We pay Gina's costs too now I guess?

Surely no MP can vote against in Parliament, the public voted for Brexit - bloody well get on with it!
Surely an MP is bound to represent the views of their local constituents first?

Guybrush

4,330 posts

205 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Oceanic said:
Good verdict based upon many of the Brexit plans were not made clear to the electorate before the referendum. Now at least there is some form of scrutiny of what this all is.
The people knew what they were voting for. As some had one favourite reason and there was a good spread of reasons, it's good that leaving will satisfy pretty much all of them. Parliament vote in favour of the trigger probably just a formality.

Phil1

621 posts

281 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Oceanic said:
Surely an MP is bound to represent the views of their local constituents first?
Didn't they abdicate themselves of that responsibility when they voted (544-53) to have a referendum? It's no use passing the decision back to the people only to then demand the right to decide back when they give the 'wrong' answer.

ReallyReallyGood

1,620 posts

129 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Oceanic said:
Surely an MP is bound to represent the views of their local constituents first?
MPs are not delegates, they are not duty-bound to blindly go with their electorate. But you'd not expect them to last very long.

Oceanic

731 posts

100 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Guybrush said:
The people knew what they were voting for.
I think that is highly disingenuous, yes some, many yes did have a good idea what they were getting into, but many also did not!


Tonsko

6,299 posts

214 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Oceanic said:
Surely an MP is bound to represent the views of their local constituents first?
Ahahaha. Haha. Ha.

Guybrush

4,330 posts

205 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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When it comes to the parliament vote, it would be interesting to see names published of those MPs who voted against the democratic decision.

Corpulent Tosser

5,459 posts

244 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Phil1 said:
Didn't they abdicate themselves of that responsibility when they voted (544-53) to have a referendum? It's no use passing the decision back to the people only to then demand the right to decide back when they give the 'wrong' answer.
There is no wrong answer, but the law is that such decisions have to be made by parliament, now we will see which MPs listen to the democratic will of the people and which go against it. The end result will be the same.