RE: Nissan GT-R NISMO MY17: Driven
Discussion
Tuvra said:
Z4MR said:
150k is just too expensive. One for the footballers and those with stupid disposable incomes. (1.) Even the new GT-R starts at 81k and that I think has surpassed the original idea of the car, to produce a car (affordable by many) yet capable of matching super cars twice or three times the price. (2.)Have they improved by 30k to justify today's price, i suspect not?. That said there are some lovely examples to be had (With or without Litchfield's intervention) starting at about 37k . May well have to talk nicely to "Her indoors" !! 
1. GTR's start at £77,645 on Broadspeed2. £60,000 in 2009 is the equivalent of £74,000 in 2017 so the £30k "increase" is a bit of an exaggeration.
3. A 2009 997 Turbo was £101k, a 2017 version is £126,920 so Nissan are only following the market.
4. There was a 40.6% price difference between the GTR & Turbo in 2009, there is a 38.8% difference in 2017.
Deerfoot said:
Tuvra said:
Deerfoot said:
It`s not cheap either now is it?
Compared to what? 
... I know, I bought one !
I'm never quite sure why there are so many nay-sayers when it comes to the GTR.
Ok, I don't own one, and probably won't own one for a couple of years, but the intriguing thing to me is that it is SUCH a technological tour-de-force that it has taken other manufacturers years to really catch up with it (in point of fact, have they?)
People bang on about its interior, it's weight (the designer actually states that its increased weight helps it to sit better on the road), tyre wear, understeer at certain speeds, etc etc, but to me it's a bit like Vladimir Klitchko (bear with me...); huge, technically excellent, and unrivalled when he burst onto the scene, but punters got gradually bored with ability to batter the opposition. Familiarity breeds contempt?
Ok, I don't own one, and probably won't own one for a couple of years, but the intriguing thing to me is that it is SUCH a technological tour-de-force that it has taken other manufacturers years to really catch up with it (in point of fact, have they?)
People bang on about its interior, it's weight (the designer actually states that its increased weight helps it to sit better on the road), tyre wear, understeer at certain speeds, etc etc, but to me it's a bit like Vladimir Klitchko (bear with me...); huge, technically excellent, and unrivalled when he burst onto the scene, but punters got gradually bored with ability to batter the opposition. Familiarity breeds contempt?
I think the weight problem has more practical roots; a heavy car will chew through consumables faster than a light one. Don't get me wrong, because its one of those "comes with the territory" type discussions. But then if you really wanted to go fast, you could buy yourself a dedicated car weighing 5-600 kg (think formula car), with specific slick tyres, and you could actually get some serious lap times, and probably run the car for much less overall cost.
Plenty of caveats there, including that you need to have 2 cars, probably need a trailer too, and somewhere to store all of this. But then people thinking about £150k on a car would likely have the space.
Plenty of caveats there, including that you need to have 2 cars, probably need a trailer too, and somewhere to store all of this. But then people thinking about £150k on a car would likely have the space.
The Nismo looks great and will hold its value well I am sure but if you want a new GTR I would not buy the standard, track or Nismo. I would buy the rarest option! A Litchfield LM20. They are around £98k, has more power than the Nismo. Is a 20 car run and has loads of great bits on it.
Have a look on the Litchfield website. A very tasty looking car that was also mentioned on Pistonheads last week I believe.
I can't wait for the R36 GTR to come and crush the other manufacturers but I think that's at least 2 years away!
Have a look on the Litchfield website. A very tasty looking car that was also mentioned on Pistonheads last week I believe.
I can't wait for the R36 GTR to come and crush the other manufacturers but I think that's at least 2 years away!
big_rob_sydney said:
I think the weight problem has more practical roots; a heavy car will chew through consumables faster than a light one. Don't get me wrong, because its one of those "comes with the territory" type discussions. But then if you really wanted to go fast, you could buy yourself a dedicated car weighing 5-600 kg (think formula car), with specific slick tyres, and you could actually get some serious lap times, and probably run the car for much less overall cost.
Plenty of caveats there, including that you need to have 2 cars, probably need a trailer too, and somewhere to store all of this. But then people thinking about £150k on a car would likely have the space.
Realistically though, was it ever designed as a dedicated track car? I know they promote it as such but its no different to say an Aventador SV, Gallardo Superleggera, GT3 RS', Scud/CS, M4 GTS etc.Plenty of caveats there, including that you need to have 2 cars, probably need a trailer too, and somewhere to store all of this. But then people thinking about £150k on a car would likely have the space.
We are all scoffing at the £150k price tag but £150k in the grand scheme of things isn't that much considering M4 GTS' sell for between £150-180k.
Twobadmice said:
The Nismo looks great and will hold its value well I am sure but if you want a new GTR I would not buy the standard, track or Nismo. I would buy the rarest option! A Litchfield LM20. They are around £98k, has more power than the Nismo. Is a 20 car run and has loads of great bits on it.
Have a look on the Litchfield website. A very tasty looking car that was also mentioned on Pistonheads last week I believe.
I can't wait for the R36 GTR to come and crush the other manufacturers but I think that's at least 2 years away!
I can't see the LM20 being worth half what the Nismo will be worth in say 10 years though so I don't think you will ever "lose" that additional £50k.Have a look on the Litchfield website. A very tasty looking car that was also mentioned on Pistonheads last week I believe.
I can't wait for the R36 GTR to come and crush the other manufacturers but I think that's at least 2 years away!
Edited by Tuvra on Thursday 26th January 07:43
I'm definitely in the "it's ugly" camp. I'd rather see something along the lines of the R35 Spec V which was a genuinely different beast to the standard car but wasn't quite so shouty about it. Each to their own though and at least it looks the way it does for genuine aerodynamical reasons.
Tuvra said:
big_rob_sydney said:
I think the weight problem has more practical roots; a heavy car will chew through consumables faster than a light one. Don't get me wrong, because its one of those "comes with the territory" type discussions. But then if you really wanted to go fast, you could buy yourself a dedicated car weighing 5-600 kg (think formula car), with specific slick tyres, and you could actually get some serious lap times, and probably run the car for much less overall cost.
Plenty of caveats there, including that you need to have 2 cars, probably need a trailer too, and somewhere to store all of this. But then people thinking about £150k on a car would likely have the space.
Realistically though, was it ever designed as a dedicated track car? I know they promote it as such but its no different to say an Aventador SV, Gallardo Superleggera, GT3 RS', Scud/CS, M4 GTS etc.Plenty of caveats there, including that you need to have 2 cars, probably need a trailer too, and somewhere to store all of this. But then people thinking about £150k on a car would likely have the space.
We are all scoffing at the £150k price tag but £150k in the grand scheme of things isn't that much considering M4 GTS' sell for between £150-180k.
Twobadmice said:
The Nismo looks great and will hold its value well I am sure but if you want a new GTR I would not buy the standard, track or Nismo. I would buy the rarest option! A Litchfield LM20. They are around £98k, has more power than the Nismo. Is a 20 car run and has loads of great bits on it.
Have a look on the Litchfield website. A very tasty looking car that was also mentioned on Pistonheads last week I believe.
I can't wait for the R36 GTR to come and crush the other manufacturers but I think that's at least 2 years away!
I can't see the LM20 being worth half what the Nismo will be worth in say 10 years though so I don't think you will ever "lose" that additional £50k.Have a look on the Litchfield website. A very tasty looking car that was also mentioned on Pistonheads last week I believe.
I can't wait for the R36 GTR to come and crush the other manufacturers but I think that's at least 2 years away!
Edited by Tuvra on Thursday 26th January 07:43
Dave Hedgehog said:
as much as i love some red trim you would have to be barking mad to pay 150k for a GTR
I'd disagree, if it's what you really want then why not? I can't see myself ever being able to afford a car at that price bracket and if I could it wouldn't be a new car, but if you were flush with cash and fancied one over the equivalent Porsche then why not? Would you consider it barking mad to pay that sort of money for the Porsche?rtz62 said:
I'm never quite sure why there are so many nay-sayers when it comes to the GTR.
Ok, I don't own one, and probably won't own one for a couple of years, but the intriguing thing to me is that it is SUCH a technological tour-de-force that it has taken other manufacturers years to really catch up with it (in point of fact, have they?)
People bang on about its interior, it's weight (the designer actually states that its increased weight helps it to sit better on the road), tyre wear, understeer at certain speeds, etc etc, but to me it's a bit like Vladimir Klitchko (bear with me...); huge, technically excellent, and unrivalled when he burst onto the scene, but punters got gradually bored with ability to batter the opposition. Familiarity breeds contempt?
The original GTR price and super car slaying abilities were outstanding. At £150k, track focused cars like the GT3 are lighter and have much much better interiors, sound and looks.Ok, I don't own one, and probably won't own one for a couple of years, but the intriguing thing to me is that it is SUCH a technological tour-de-force that it has taken other manufacturers years to really catch up with it (in point of fact, have they?)
People bang on about its interior, it's weight (the designer actually states that its increased weight helps it to sit better on the road), tyre wear, understeer at certain speeds, etc etc, but to me it's a bit like Vladimir Klitchko (bear with me...); huge, technically excellent, and unrivalled when he burst onto the scene, but punters got gradually bored with ability to batter the opposition. Familiarity breeds contempt?
Unfortunately for me, even with a track focused car like the nismo and its undoubted track ability, I want a bit more at this price point than just going fast in a Nissan.
The Nismo seems to have been quite well optimised from what I saw in the Car Throttle video. They compared a 2009 660 bhp modded GTR with all kinds of suspension and go fast goodies on it to the stock 2017 Nismo using a professional driver. The modded GTR ran a 2:52 around Silverstone while the Nismo did a 2:44 in similar drying but still damp conditions. The Nismo also launched better than the modded GTR but only managed to win 1/3 drag races due to the power gap.
I know the 2009 model is 8 years older but the suspension was tuned and adjusted for better performance so arguably the 2009 should have been able to go quicker around the track given the extensive mods and higher power.
Also, CarWow tested a normal GT-R recently and in super wet/flooded looking conditions it managed 0-60 mph in 3 seconds which is nuts and really shows how well that AWD system works.
What is really annoying though is the price is £149,995 in the UK but about $152,000 in the USA. That doesn't quite compute even after considering tax and import cost differences.
But I guess it will be really exclusive: "Nissan says there will be more than 20 but less than 30 examples produced for the European market."
I know the 2009 model is 8 years older but the suspension was tuned and adjusted for better performance so arguably the 2009 should have been able to go quicker around the track given the extensive mods and higher power.
Also, CarWow tested a normal GT-R recently and in super wet/flooded looking conditions it managed 0-60 mph in 3 seconds which is nuts and really shows how well that AWD system works.
What is really annoying though is the price is £149,995 in the UK but about $152,000 in the USA. That doesn't quite compute even after considering tax and import cost differences.
But I guess it will be really exclusive: "Nissan says there will be more than 20 but less than 30 examples produced for the European market."
Edited by cib24 on Friday 27th January 09:44
Yipper said:
£150k for a 600bhp Nissan is insane. Especially when you realise £30k for a Golf R and a £10k for an aftermarket remap will get you 550bhp and something just as fast.
Bang on Yipper! I just can't understand why if you had the means to be able to afford 150K for an official manufacturer developed fast road/track special why you wouldn't just buy a very common family hatchback and give it an engine that the majority of the standard components weren't designed to handle so therefore will have a reduced lifespan, if any lifespan at all, and which would have absolutely no manufacturer warranty or dealer support. It just doesn't make any sense does it? Rich folks hey? They are all silly buggers!
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