RE: GT faster than Ferrari! (According to Ford)

[Gandahar]

Jonesy23 said:

BlackLabel said:

$520,000 spec'd up according to Shmee150 who mentioned a few days ago that he'd be paying a 50% deposit 9 months or so before delivery,

@3:25

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jsitngVTPcQ

Says a lot about their customer selection criteria if Shmee is on the list.

I see Gordon Ramsey is on the Ferrari fast track service, so it would be an interesting article which of the two makes the best bacon sarnie and also can then drive a "supercar" fastest around Brands.

I'm sort of guessing in that biathlon I could give them a good run for their money

[GroundEffect]

AMG Merc said:

But then the Duracell powered Tesla beats them all

At the traffic-light Grand Prix, sure....but a car 1 TONNE heavier with no aero to speak of around a track?

[s2000db]

Hmmm, I wonder if crash testing and safety considerations were top of their list?


http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/ford-mu...

Edited by s2000db on Wednesday 25th January 20:04

[The Vambo]

s2000db said:

Hmmm, I wonder if crash testing and safety considerations were top of their list?


http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/ford-mu...

Edited by s2000db on Wednesday 25th January 20:04

The PH Stetson crew are coming to get you......

“Ford did not expect Euro NCAP to test the Mustang and chose not to fit safety technology in Europe which is available to its American consumers and available on several other sports cars for that matter,”

[lee_erm]

Quite damaging to the Ford brand that isn't it. They've led the way in safety with regards to commercial vehicles for a few years now in the UK, their cars are up there too.

[s2000db]

The Vambo said:

s2000db said:

Hmmm, I wonder if crash testing and safety considerations were top of their list?


http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/ford-mu...

Edited by s2000db on Wednesday 25th January 20:04

The PH Stetson crew are coming to get you......

“Ford did not expect Euro NCAP to test the Mustang and chose not to fit safety technology in Europe which is available to its American consumers and available on several other sports cars for that matter,”

Actually I'm still sore that I wasn't allocated a car, despite surviving driving several Fords in the 80's... lol..

[rosino]

Ok. I might be heavily biased. But i would still take my Speciale over this one everyday of the week. It might be faster for sure but a V8 4.5 revving to 9k rpm as opposed to a heavily boosted V6...?

And I suspect the speciale will also be more involving and fun to drive. Albeit slower, which doesn't matter at all in real life.

Let's see the first drives but this car seems a bit overhyped in a generation of ample liquidity and where anything "limited" production gets bought regardless. Often with an absurd process of selection that will allocate cars to you tubers and not to historic Ford owners for example.

I don't know. It just doesn't excite me at all like the upcoming McLaren SuperSport series does.

[Cold]

hondansx said:

Yep, if anyone doesn't think it looks stunning then prepare to eat humble pie when you (hopefully) see one in the flesh.

It really does make everything else look ordinary, and i'm including the current crop of hypercars like the La Ferrari, Pagani etc.

When was the blue one at Geneva? Was that last year, year before? I wasn't wowed by its looks, in fact I thought it was rather ugly. Old fashioned almost, but certainly the styling didn't seem to be particularly pleasing and had a whiff of 90s kitcar about it.

[AMG Merc]

The Vambo said:

s2000db said:

Hmmm, I wonder if crash testing and safety considerations were top of their list?


http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/ford-mu...

Edited by s2000db on Wednesday 25th January 20:04

The PH Stetson crew are coming to get you......

“Ford did not expect Euro NCAP to test the Mustang and chose not to fit safety technology in Europe which is available to its American consumers and available on several other sports cars for that matter,”

Seriously, no NCAP for the European Mustang? If any car needs saftey features that work this does. i doubt it can go around a corner st speed keeping the same line as, even the most basic, Euro models.

[s2000db]

AMG Merc said:

The Vambo said:

s2000db said:

Hmmm, I wonder if crash testing and safety considerations were top of their list?


http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/ford-mu...

Edited by s2000db on Wednesday 25th January 20:04

The PH Stetson crew are coming to get you......

“Ford did not expect Euro NCAP to test the Mustang and chose not to fit safety technology in Europe which is available to its American consumers and available on several other sports cars for that matter,”

Seriously, no NCAP for the European Mustang? If any car needs saftey features that work this does. i doubt it can go around a corner st speed keeping the same line as, even the most basic, Euro models.

Perhaps now I see the logic of their selection list...

[jamespink]

Yipper said:

Great car. But watching faces drop when you tell your posh party guests you "drive a Ford" will kill the buzz in a nanosecond.

With a Ford looking and going as well as this one does, I think I'd "get over" driving a Ford!

[jamespink]

s2000db said:

Hmmm, I wonder if crash testing and safety considerations were top of their list?


http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/ford-mu...

Edited by s2000db on Wednesday 25th January 20:04

Shocking that Ford foist low safety spec cars on Europe! Calous disregard for buyers living in a market not central to their plans... Thank you Ford, cost cutting that costs lives. Good 'ol boys...

[turbobloke]

Why would anyone buy a Ford GT because it's claimed to be faster than a Ferrari, very odd.

There are reasons to buy one I guess but this is the real world not top trumps.

[Davey S2]

big_rob_sydney said:

Just did a bit of digging, and found that:

McLaren will unveil a successor at the 2017 Geneva motor show in March, promising more power and better aero than existing models.

Lamborghini will display a hardcore Huracan in Switzerland

Ferrari is working on a stripped out 488, whereas the test spoken of here was against the previous 458 Speciale.

And finally? The Ford will only be made in left-hand drive.

So, a race car that hasn't been driven on the road yet, competing against cars that are either outdated, or soon to be. And which is rumoured to cost quite a bit more than either.

Yep, some great and relevant comparisons there...

And the 650S replacement being unveiled in Geneva is 'just' the standard model. Expect a stripped out 'LT' style model of that a couple of years later. This along with the 488 Speciale / Stradale / Scuderia will have moved the game on by the time this comes out.

In any event I find this constant performance war a bit silly and too 'Top Trumps' for me and it just underlines why I'd far rather a 911 Singer (or even a 911R) than the latest paddle shift gizmo filled supercar.

[AMG Merc]

s2000db said:

Perhaps now I see the logic of their selection list...

[WCZ]

turbobloke said:

Why would anyone buy a Ford GT because it's claimed to be faster than a Ferrari, very odd.

There are reasons to buy one I guess but this is the real world not top trumps.

it's not like that, it's another 'car you can't buy', they aren't bragging to try and sell these - it's just brand hype.
the only guarantee was owning the previous Ford GT (ideally still having it in your possession, I know former owners who were rejected)

[Fire99]

So long as it was there or there abouts with the Ferrari's etc on the performance stakes I'd be more than satisfied. It looks very impressive to my eyes...

[ukaskew]

A second or so quicker around a particular track seems a little irrelevant considering most of these will be lucky to see Knightsbridge, Monte Carlo or Beverley Hills when they take a rare trip out of storage.

[big_rob_sydney]

s2000db said:

Actually I'm still sore that I wasn't allocated a car, despite surviving driving several Fords in the 80's... lol..

Just out of curiosity, do you know the story of the Ford Pinto's petrol tanks?

[big_rob_sydney]

GroundEffect said:

AMG Merc said:

But then the Duracell powered Tesla beats them all

At the traffic-light Grand Prix, sure....but a car 1 TONNE heavier with no aero to speak of around a track?

I've never owned a Tesla, but I'm intrigued by it.

I've heard Elon Musk say that the battery tech is improving by around 30% a year. If we take that at face value, then my question becomes, what happens when Tesla set out to create a proper sports car, with 30% smaller batteries, but the same range as today? (that's assuming they want to go for that mix; they may well not, but its just a query I have).

Instead of weighing as much as they do, you'll then have a car that's still got the drive-line, with already amazing straight line performance, but it will be considerably lighter, leading to greater performance again in a straight line. This will now be better under braking, along with cornering. If they chose to add some aerodynamics? Well, there is a lot of upside, isn't there?