RE: 25 years of Type R: Spotted special
Discussion
HannsG said:
What sort of MPG would a person get on a 100 Mike round commute? 80% motorway?
On a similar journey my DC5 returns about 32mpg...so an EP3 civic would be more or less the same.I've been dailying it this week which is a 14 mile round commute on B roads with some traffic, and get around 28 mpg.
designforlife said:
HannsG said:
What sort of MPG would a person get on a 100 Mike round commute? 80% motorway?
On a similar journey my DC5 returns about 32mpg...so an EP3 civic would be more or less the same.I've been dailying it this week which is a 14 mile round commute on B roads with some traffic, and get around 28 mpg.
The thing with most of these is you can drive them very economically IF you want
Martin_Hx said:
designforlife said:
HannsG said:
What sort of MPG would a person get on a 100 Mike round commute? 80% motorway?
On a similar journey my DC5 returns about 32mpg...so an EP3 civic would be more or less the same.I've been dailying it this week which is a 14 mile round commute on B roads with some traffic, and get around 28 mpg.
The thing with most of these is you can drive them very economically IF you want
Would quite happily daily the DC5 if I didn't have the old mitsubishi too...it's a pleasure to drive even in a commuting scenario.
designforlife said:
HannsG said:
What sort of MPG would a person get on a 100 Mike round commute? 80% motorway?
On a similar journey my DC5 returns about 32mpg...so an EP3 civic would be more or less the same.I've been dailying it this week which is a 14 mile round commute on B roads with some traffic, and get around 28 mpg.
All in all quite reasonable for the performance and a NA engine.
Its kind of bitter-sweet seeing this article on Pistonheads.... bitter, as the DC2 Integra driven in the article is my old car - & was my daily driver for almost 7 years, I sold it towards the back-end of last year back to Honda after placing an advert here on PH classifieds. It was a great car to me - proving 100% reliable within my ownership (save for a blown drivers-side electric window motor)... over such a long period of ownership you do build quite an affection for a car, so to see photos of it being driven by other people is a bit odd. That said, I don't have a garage & using the car everyday (especially during the winter months) mean't that it was only going to deteriorate quite quickly, so it only seemed right/fair on what I think is quite an iconic car, to move it on to someone who would more able to 'cherish' it.... especially as values for these cars are so strong at the moment! So 'sweet' I that that my beloved Integra should be brought back by Honda, who have obviously gone over the car & refreshed it in the areas it needed (something I had wanted to do... but couldn't afford) & to see it being enjoyed & appreciated is very satisfying.
This is the car on the drive back home across the Peak District after purchasing it back in 2010
This is the car on the drive back home across the Peak District after purchasing it back in 2010
Edited by DerbyDan on Thursday 16th February 14:36
Edited by DerbyDan on Thursday 16th February 15:20
DerbyDan said:
Its kind of bitter-sweet seeing this article on Pistonheads.... bitter, as the DC2 Integra driven in the article is my old car - & was my daily driver for almost 7 years, I sold it towards the back-end of last year back to Honda after placing an advert here on PH classifieds. It was a great car to me - proving 100% reliable within my ownership (save for a blown drivers-side electric window motor)... over such a long period of ownership you do build quite an affection for a car, so to see photos of it being driven by other people is a bit odd. That said, I don't have a garage & using the car everyday (especially during the winter months) mean't that it was only going to deteriorate quite quickly, so it only seemed right/fair on what I think is quite an iconic car, to move it on to someone who would more able to 'cherish' it.... especially as values for these cars are so strong at the moment! So 'sweet' I that that my beloved Integra should be brought back by Honda, who have obviously gone over the car & refreshed it in the areas it needed (something I had wanted to do... but couldn't afford) & to see it being enjoyed & appreciated is very satisfying.
This is the car on the drive back home across the Peak District after purchasing it back in 2010
I bet there's a few of us cursing we missed your ad! Dare I ask what you got for it? Though obviously feel free to tell me to bu**er off!This is the car on the drive back home across the Peak District after purchasing it back in 2010
Edited by DerbyDan on Thursday 16th February 14:36
Edited by DerbyDan on Thursday 16th February 15:20
Cheers
PS from your long term ownership what other than arches would you advise to keep an eye on?
DerbyDan said:
Its kind of bitter-sweet seeing this article on Pistonheads.... bitter, as the DC2 Integra driven in the article is my old car - & was my daily driver for almost 7 years, I sold it towards the back-end of last year back to Honda after placing an advert here on PH classifieds. It was a great car to me - proving 100% reliable within my ownership (save for a blown drivers-side electric window motor)... over such a long period of ownership you do build quite an affection for a car, so to see photos of it being driven by other people is a bit odd. That said, I don't have a garage & using the car everyday (especially during the winter months) mean't that it was only going to deteriorate quite quickly, so it only seemed right/fair on what I think is quite an iconic car, to move it on to someone who would more able to 'cherish' it.... especially as values for these cars are so strong at the moment! So 'sweet' I that that my beloved Integra should be brought back by Honda, who have obviously gone over the car & refreshed it in the areas it needed (something I had wanted to do... but couldn't afford) & to see it being enjoyed & appreciated is very satisfying.
This is the car on the drive back home across the Peak District after purchasing it back in 2010
DerbyDan, I love this photo!! Brings back many memories of my UKDM DC2 and EP3. This is the car on the drive back home across the Peak District after purchasing it back in 2010
Edited by DerbyDan on Thursday 16th February 14:36
Edited by DerbyDan on Thursday 16th February 15:20
The DC2 was such a wonderful car, I still think about it nowadays even after selling it over 12 years ago. In my 20 years of driving it has been the most special car I have driven and probably will be forever. So many things made it different to the other boring cars out there. Yes there are faster more powerful cars but it's the feeling, the engagement when driving it. When I tell people how good my DC2 was I'd get comments like look at the now Focus RS, Golf R, and all that. Different league, the DC2 is in a league of it's own and always will be.
It hurts me that Honda are in such a decline these days. Their range of cars is just appaling. The FK2 is great but I'm not sure about parting £30k+ and now that my circumstances and car requirements have changed. The coming CTR - OMG just looks fugly. Honda need to take a step back and see how it was great in the 80's, 90's and 00's with the VTi's and Type R's. Would need a modern day ATR to tempt me back.
acme said:
PS from your long term ownership what other than arches would you advise to keep an eye on?
I've had mine for 4 years. To be honest, they don't really have any "typical" model-specific faults as is often the case with many other cars. They are very durable and, bodywork aside, nothing is particularly expensive. Other than a "common sense" check of bodywork and ensuring everything works, things worth knowing:
ENGINE
- they use oil, keep an eye on it, obviously check that there's no blue smoke from start-up but VTECs tend to use oil (even our Jazz does a quarter of a litre a year, and in the manual it states up to a litre per 1,000 miles is normal!);
- you want a standard air filter and housing, it's best for power, cost effective and makes a fantastic sound - it's a well thought out design;
- paint flake on engine covers can be rectified by replacing with an exchange cover from a guy on ITRDC2 forum (circa £75);
- Cambelts are every 5 years and I'd budget for a 5-year maintenance cycle for cambelt, plugs, valve clearances, brakes (well mine have lasted 4 years and still going!), coolant etc.
- Exhaust - UK cars have 4-2-1 manifold with a 2.25" collector into a (larger than JDM) c17" cat.
If you are looking at one with an aftermarket manifold/exhaust, check what they have done about the cat as most manifolds were for JDM and therefore if used with a UKDM, needed a de-cat or adjustable cat (or obviously a JDM cat but then would also need a JDM B-pipe).
GEARBOX/CLUTCH
- check the change between 2nd and 3rd (and vice versa) as some reported issues;
- no reported problems with the LSD;
- clutches rarely slip (due to low torque output and probably high spec), though they tend to break through fatigue - mine went at 118,000 miles and there was plenty of material left on it, it literally sheared a bit of metal off.
BODY
- arches are the big issue. These can vary massively and there are two causes of the problem (1) a little slit at the back of the sill, which lets water/moisture in and rots the panel from inside out. Any bubbling around the rear flank (around where the stickers are) will mean it's likely a long way gone and to know for sure, you need to remove the interior (a massive trim piece going from B-pillar to above the rear bumper). (2) a rubber trim piece on the edge of the wheel arch (JDM don't have this) which catches dirt and moisture.
- check the windscreen. The OEM one is a thinner, lighter unit and pattern ones may not be to the same spec.
- check that the automatic retractable aerial works, most people seem surprised that mine does.
INTERIOR
- seat bolsters! There is a fix if you're handy by replacing the bolster.
OTHER
- rear trailing arm (RTA) bushes will need doing if they haven't been done in the last 40,000 miles or so. Apparently, OEM are recommended because the bush has a certain amount of flex built into it.
- that's the only bit of suspension work I have had to do on a car with 121,000 miles on it and has been inspected by someone who knows them inside out and said there was no need to do any more than the RTA bushes.
- tyres - they need a tyre with VERY stiff sidewall and of the current offerings (given the odd 195/55/15 size), you want Bridgestone RE002 or Yoko AD08R. The Yokos are more expensive and the choice if it goes on road and track. The RE002s are the road choice. Both are hefty tyres (weighing almost 9 kilos each for a smallish tyre (it's those sidewalls)) and really bring out the steering and feedback from the car.
SUMMARY
Get one as close to standard as possible so you experience Honda's formula before modifying if you want.
I get around 28MPG (used hard on A/B roads) which is around 220 miles per tank. You can obviously better that on a run.
Lot of good info there...won't argue with any of that. Concur on staying OEM for most parts, esp. intake and all suspension.
One point to add. If the car's been driven hard (road, not just track), then rear wheel bearings will likely need doing if they've not been done already - the way the car is set-up to handle (beautifully, zero-understeer) puts more load on the outside rear than most fwd cars.
One point to add. If the car's been driven hard (road, not just track), then rear wheel bearings will likely need doing if they've not been done already - the way the car is set-up to handle (beautifully, zero-understeer) puts more load on the outside rear than most fwd cars.
I've owned mine (UK) for 7 years, two comprehensive posts above, only thing I would add is the seals around the rear light clusters can go and allow water in.
I need to do the rear arches on mine, if only the rear quarters were available from Honda.
They're not expensive cars to run and maintain especially for what they offer.
I need to do the rear arches on mine, if only the rear quarters were available from Honda.
They're not expensive cars to run and maintain especially for what they offer.
I don't have much to add, except I enjoyed reading this thread as it's right up my street!
Used to own a DC5 'Teg' for 7 and a half years which I dearly miss:
I now own an FN2 Civic:
The Civic is easier to live with but hasn't gotten under my skin like the Teg did. I'd have it back in a heartbeat!
Used to own a DC5 'Teg' for 7 and a half years which I dearly miss:
I now own an FN2 Civic:
The Civic is easier to live with but hasn't gotten under my skin like the Teg did. I'd have it back in a heartbeat!
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