RE: 18MY updates for Jaguar F-Pace, XE and XF
Discussion
stumpage said:
Jaguar need to bring out a PHEV fast. Most company car driver I know are all going for 330e, 530e, C350e, E350e, Passat and Golf GTE, Audi Etron's etc. The new Company car rates for petrol and diesel model are increasing rapidly and these PHEVs are giving the company car driver about £2000 saving each year. If Jag don't get on this bandwagon sales will dip.
This. Took delivery of Merc C350e last week. Diesel company car drivers are going to get hammered in the coming years, so I got out.
They really need to do something about how ugly and low rent the interiors are on all three of these with the inevitable facelift. The styling is super bland, the engine range is mostly dross, but that's what the market wants it seems. Those interiors really are quite poor though, both in terms of concept and execution.
PH XKR said:
No one wants one, or there would be one.
it is not that people do not want a manual.. Cars needed to have the auto gearbox to be able to achieve low co2 emissions for the current road tax system .i would love a manual f type jag but as it stands now ,an auto f type is £290 whereas the manual costs £505 per year for the same engine size.
That is all set to change from April this year ,which means i now have to wait 5 years until i buy a manual f type .. bugger !
r1monkey said:
it is not that people do not want a manual.. Cars needed to have the auto gearbox to be able to achieve low co2 emissions for the current road tax system .
i would love a manual f type jag but as it stands now ,an auto f type is £290 whereas the manual costs £505 per year for the same engine size.
That is all set to change from April this year ,which means i now have to wait 5 years until i buy a manual f type .. bugger !
That said the 99g XE is the diesel manual, not auto!i would love a manual f type jag but as it stands now ,an auto f type is £290 whereas the manual costs £505 per year for the same engine size.
That is all set to change from April this year ,which means i now have to wait 5 years until i buy a manual f type .. bugger !
t together and bring out an SVR version of the XE.Oddball RS said:
PH XKR said:
telecat said:
And still no Petrol Manuals?? You can't compete with the 3 Series and not have a Petrol Manual.
No one wants one, or there would be one.telecat said:
Oddball RS said:
PH XKR said:
telecat said:
And still no Petrol Manuals?? You can't compete with the 3 Series and not have a Petrol Manual.
No one wants one, or there would be one.Also agree with the comments about the interiors - it is a poorly executed, low rent copy of an Audi interior. What we want from a Jaguar is a Jaguar interior, with lashings of wood and leather, that is a special and distinctive place to sit - that it the USP of a Jaguar, and is something that only Jag can carry off (or used to be able to). Calum might be great on exterior style, but he clearly is clueless on interiors.
Car_Nut said:
telecat said:
Oddball RS said:
PH XKR said:
telecat said:
And still no Petrol Manuals?? You can't compete with the 3 Series and not have a Petrol Manual.
No one wants one, or there would be one.Also agree with the comments about the interiors - it is a poorly executed, low rent copy of an Audi interior. What we want from a Jaguar is a Jaguar interior, with lashings of wood and leather, that is a special and distinctive place to sit - that it the USP of a Jaguar, and is something that only Jag can carry off (or used to be able to). Calum might be great on exterior style, but he clearly is clueless on interiors.
PH XKR said:
Car_Nut said:
telecat said:
Oddball RS said:
PH XKR said:
telecat said:
And still no Petrol Manuals?? You can't compete with the 3 Series and not have a Petrol Manual.
No one wants one, or there would be one.Also agree with the comments about the interiors - it is a poorly executed, low rent copy of an Audi interior. What we want from a Jaguar is a Jaguar interior, with lashings of wood and leather, that is a special and distinctive place to sit - that it the USP of a Jaguar, and is something that only Jag can carry off (or used to be able to). Calum might be great on exterior style, but he clearly is clueless on interiors.
It might be more instructive to look at sales in like for like market segments, let's look at XJ sales (using a graph recycled from another thread):
We can see that if anything, the X-351 is less popular than the X-350, and the X-308. The only less popular model was the X-358, which was the X-350 after Calum ruined the look of the front.
Car_Nut said:
To what extent has the 'sales boom' been to do with style - the best selling models are the F-PACE, which is an entry to an entirely new market segment to Jaguar, providing a distinctive offering in a growth segment; and the XE, which is a new entry into a much more popular sector of the market, that the company has not offered anything for several years, and then only a badly fading, well past its sell-by date X-Type.
It might be more instructive to look at sales in like for like market segments, let's look at XJ sales (using a graph recycled from another thread):
We can see that if anything, the X-351 is less popular than the X-350, and the X-308. The only less popular model was the X-358, which was the X-350 after Calum ruined the look of the front.
LOL ... good job you don't work in Sales Planning in JLR !It might be more instructive to look at sales in like for like market segments, let's look at XJ sales (using a graph recycled from another thread):
We can see that if anything, the X-351 is less popular than the X-350, and the X-308. The only less popular model was the X-358, which was the X-350 after Calum ruined the look of the front.
PH XKR said:
jag had an image problem, they moved away from the smoking room interior and had a sales boom. Now people are wanting the S type back?!
The S Type was (is) a pig in knickers, a ghastly looking thing. The interior was just how Mitsubishi would have done wood and leather. That's why it didn't sell.Jaguars can still have wood and leather, but done in a modern way. I was astonished at the huge expanse of painted metal on show when you opened the front door of an XE. It's an okay looking car but I've gone off them already. The current C Class is the star of the show, along with the Giulia. Two very pretty and distinctive cars, more so the Merc.
The 3 Series? I don't even notice them now.
JonnyVTEC said:
The graph; They are just UK sales though?
Yes, but you can have US and European sales if you insist! (The 2007-2009 trough is the X358, which in my opinion was a pretty disastrous attempt to update the 'classic style' and which was neither fish nor foul, in my view).
Edited by Car_Nut on Thursday 16th February 20:46
I get the impression that the XE isn't selling particularly well, for whatever reason. I'm already seeing more new shape XFs and F Paces than XEs, despite the XE having been on sale for significantly longer.
Is the XE selling as well as hoped? Does anyone have any figures or inside knowledge?
Is the XE selling as well as hoped? Does anyone have any figures or inside knowledge?
Bradgate said:
I get the impression that the XE isn't selling particularly well, for whatever reason. I'm already seeing more new shape XFs and F Paces than XEs, despite the XE having been on sale for significantly longer.
Is the XE selling as well as hoped? Does anyone have any figures or inside knowledge?
Here you go - model breakdown included in an excel sheet linked on the right.Is the XE selling as well as hoped? Does anyone have any figures or inside knowledge?
http://www.jaguarlandrover.com/gl/en/investor-rela...
Pintofbest said:
Here you go - model breakdown included in an excel sheet linked on the right.
http://www.jaguarlandrover.com/gl/en/investor-rela...
Thanks for that. http://www.jaguarlandrover.com/gl/en/investor-rela...
Less than half as many XEs sold as RR Sports. Disco Sport & Evoque both outselling XE by almost 3-1. XE outsold by Discovery, an old model about to be replaced.
JLR must be very disappointed by those figures. BMW, Audi & Mercedes somewhat less so.
Total UK registrations in first three Quarters of 2016:
C Class: 35,682
3 Series: 27,635
A4: 21,197
XE: 10,928
So you have a diesel engine and two petrol engines, and an auto gearbox and a manual gearbox. The diesel and one of the petrol engines are basically the same engine, and the other petrol engine has auto and manual transmissions in another application. So any combination of manual and auto boxes are possible. You also know that someone who is prepared to put up with a diesel engine is also the type of person who is happy with a slushbox, whereas a significant number of petrol buyers are enthusiastic drivers who want manual gearboxes. So what does one do if one is Jaguar? Yes, obviously you make the manual the standard transmission on the diesel and don't offer the manual at all on any petrol engine model. The level of corporate stupidity and crass decision making is almost beyond belief. What a surprise that sales are where they are.
C Class: 35,682
3 Series: 27,635
A4: 21,197
XE: 10,928
So you have a diesel engine and two petrol engines, and an auto gearbox and a manual gearbox. The diesel and one of the petrol engines are basically the same engine, and the other petrol engine has auto and manual transmissions in another application. So any combination of manual and auto boxes are possible. You also know that someone who is prepared to put up with a diesel engine is also the type of person who is happy with a slushbox, whereas a significant number of petrol buyers are enthusiastic drivers who want manual gearboxes. So what does one do if one is Jaguar? Yes, obviously you make the manual the standard transmission on the diesel and don't offer the manual at all on any petrol engine model. The level of corporate stupidity and crass decision making is almost beyond belief. What a surprise that sales are where they are.
Car_Nut said:
Total UK registrations in first three Quarters of 2016:
C Class: 35,682
3 Series: 27,635
A4: 21,197
XE: 10,928
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What are the Lexus sales figures? C Class: 35,682
3 Series: 27,635
A4: 21,197
XE: 10,928
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Considering they called it right on diesel and slaughter the Germans when it comes to build quality I'm always surprised how few I see about.
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