Cars that make your average PH-er break out in cold sweats!
Discussion
Jagxtypedaily said:
Surely it is not just the car that exites people it's the promise to thrill the driver with the expirence of speeding along a mother way at 70mph and taking corners at speeds. Is this not the reason people look at cars which do this best favouringly?
You really think motorway is spelt mother way don't you?For a 17 year old who owns his own marine engineering co on £100k a year education obviously isn't important in relation to success favouringly.
fesuvious said:
There's quite some anger within this still short thread.
May I just say,
We're a community of car enthusiasts. In an age where cars are increasingly being viewed as appliances. In the age of electric and self driving vehicles. An age with vastly different (less) possibilities to enjoy cars all of the time.
Anyone who takes an interest, of any sort, who displays any notion of being a petrolhead should be applauded.
Ratrod, Hotrod, slammed, kitted, ready for the track - whatever.
It matters not if you like it, loathe it or are indifferent. Just be thankful there are still car enthusiasts out there.
Cos we're becoming a rarer breed than we once were.
Here endeth the sermen.
Amen brothers
Exactly - totally agree May I just say,
We're a community of car enthusiasts. In an age where cars are increasingly being viewed as appliances. In the age of electric and self driving vehicles. An age with vastly different (less) possibilities to enjoy cars all of the time.
Anyone who takes an interest, of any sort, who displays any notion of being a petrolhead should be applauded.
Ratrod, Hotrod, slammed, kitted, ready for the track - whatever.
It matters not if you like it, loathe it or are indifferent. Just be thankful there are still car enthusiasts out there.
Cos we're becoming a rarer breed than we once were.
Here endeth the sermen.
Amen brothers
I started this because I was fed up of the "badly modified" thread being more about lack of understanding rather than cars that were actually badly modified....
i'm amazed at the venom created when even mentioning "stanced"
and i totally agree with the PCP thing.... going out and buying/leasing a car based on very little more than an autotrader review. a Jeremy Clarkson rant and minimal imagination, not knowing where the oil filter is or even owning a torque wrench is not "piston heads"
maybe you should have to service your car yourself before signing up haha
i think this guy sums up all the worst thing about having lots of money and no motoring clue....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHeKOEN_0sM
enjoy this thread - its about education not piss taking
JJ
Monkeylegend said:
Jagxtypedaily said:
Surely it is not just the car that exites people it's the promise to thrill the driver with the expirence of speeding along a mother way at 70mph and taking corners at speeds. Is this not the reason people look at cars which do this best favouringly?
You really think motorway is spelt mother way don't you?For a 17 year old who owns his own marine engineering co on £100k a year education obviously isn't important in relation to success favouringly.
stu67 said:
Resolutionary said:
fesuvious said:
There's quite some anger within this still short thread.
May I just say,
We're a community of car enthusiasts. In an age where cars are increasingly being viewed as appliances. In the age of electric and self driving vehicles. An age with vastly different (less) possibilities to enjoy cars all of the time.
Anyone who takes an interest, of any sort, who displays any notion of being a petrolhead should be applauded.
Ratrod, Hotrod, slammed, kitted, ready for the track - whatever.
It matters not if you like it, loathe it or are indifferent. Just be thankful there are still car enthusiasts out there.
Cos we're becoming a rarer breed than we once were.
Here endeth the sermen.
Amen brothers
I like this person.May I just say,
We're a community of car enthusiasts. In an age where cars are increasingly being viewed as appliances. In the age of electric and self driving vehicles. An age with vastly different (less) possibilities to enjoy cars all of the time.
Anyone who takes an interest, of any sort, who displays any notion of being a petrolhead should be applauded.
Ratrod, Hotrod, slammed, kitted, ready for the track - whatever.
It matters not if you like it, loathe it or are indifferent. Just be thankful there are still car enthusiasts out there.
Cos we're becoming a rarer breed than we once were.
Here endeth the sermen.
Amen brothers
This!
I'm a 50 year old bloke and anyone younger than me interested in generally the same things is a plus in my book. I was outside yesterday tinkering with my Healey Sprite and a young lad pulled up in his modded 106 to have a look. We got talking about his car and whilst not my cup of tea he was genuinely enthused about it and that I showed interest in it, he said his dad thought it was rubbish which I found a bit sad.
Whist it was lowered it was still a damn sight taller than my Sprite!
This will change of course if his circumstances permit.
He reminds of a chap I know who had a Saab. It was the fastest, greatest car ever, until he bought a BMW, which now takes that mantle. Until the next purchase of course.
ha - tell me what i can't afford 
its not about affording is it.... thats the point. in fact its the opposite... being able to afford doesn't automatically make you a petrol/piston head does it?
but that is the growing standard snobishness of pistonheads i'm afraid. the "oh my god someone modified a car when bmw spent years refining it for the [insert advertising slogan of the decade here]" attitude is totally against the definition of a car enthusiast.
there is a guy near me. he has 3 triumph dolomites. 1 mint, 1 average, 1 a fixer. he has a huge house and a triple garage and all the tools. i've stopped and chatted to him a few times and he's an enthusiast. i bet he could easily afford a porsche or a GTR but thats not what he wants. he wants to be able to tinker and work on his cars and make the cars his own.
the local queens square meet sometimes has the "why is that low value car here when there isn't enough space to park the DBS i just bought" attitude ...... missing the point totally of a car meet.
hating any scene that modifies cars shows a lack of understanding of the skills, time and enthusiasm for all things fun about motoring IMHO. its ok for styles to be not to your taste but thats different.
of course there are still people in those scenes that have no idea just like there are people who buy cars on PCP and would love to work on them if allowed. its just a minority in both cases.
i've enjoyed working on the VX220 and the BMW 5 Series but i also loved working on the saxo and smart fortwo as well as the 2 current cars i own (brabus forfour and a £450 streetKA and its huge list of issues)
but thats just my view and clearly others would disagree but hey...thats what makes us us
JJ
its not about affording is it.... thats the point. in fact its the opposite... being able to afford doesn't automatically make you a petrol/piston head does it?
but that is the growing standard snobishness of pistonheads i'm afraid. the "oh my god someone modified a car when bmw spent years refining it for the [insert advertising slogan of the decade here]" attitude is totally against the definition of a car enthusiast.
there is a guy near me. he has 3 triumph dolomites. 1 mint, 1 average, 1 a fixer. he has a huge house and a triple garage and all the tools. i've stopped and chatted to him a few times and he's an enthusiast. i bet he could easily afford a porsche or a GTR but thats not what he wants. he wants to be able to tinker and work on his cars and make the cars his own.
the local queens square meet sometimes has the "why is that low value car here when there isn't enough space to park the DBS i just bought" attitude ...... missing the point totally of a car meet.
hating any scene that modifies cars shows a lack of understanding of the skills, time and enthusiasm for all things fun about motoring IMHO. its ok for styles to be not to your taste but thats different.
of course there are still people in those scenes that have no idea just like there are people who buy cars on PCP and would love to work on them if allowed. its just a minority in both cases.
i've enjoyed working on the VX220 and the BMW 5 Series but i also loved working on the saxo and smart fortwo as well as the 2 current cars i own (brabus forfour and a £450 streetKA and its huge list of issues)
but thats just my view and clearly others would disagree but hey...thats what makes us us
JJ
fesuvious said:
There's quite some anger within this still short thread.
May I just say,
We're a community of car enthusiasts. In an age where cars are increasingly being viewed as appliances. In the age of electric and self driving vehicles. An age with vastly different (less) possibilities to enjoy cars all of the time.
Anyone who takes an interest, of any sort, who displays any notion of being a petrolhead should be applauded.
Ratrod, Hotrod, slammed, kitted, ready for the track - whatever.
It matters not if you like it, loathe it or are indifferent. Just be thankful there are still car enthusiasts out there.
Cos we're becoming a rarer breed than we once were.
Here endeth the sermen.
Amen brothers
Well I must say I hadn't really thought of it quite like that before, and I do believe you're right. To a point. May I just say,
We're a community of car enthusiasts. In an age where cars are increasingly being viewed as appliances. In the age of electric and self driving vehicles. An age with vastly different (less) possibilities to enjoy cars all of the time.
Anyone who takes an interest, of any sort, who displays any notion of being a petrolhead should be applauded.
Ratrod, Hotrod, slammed, kitted, ready for the track - whatever.
It matters not if you like it, loathe it or are indifferent. Just be thankful there are still car enthusiasts out there.
Cos we're becoming a rarer breed than we once were.
Here endeth the sermen.
Amen brothers
That point is where the mods become a danger to others. Stancing and stretching is utterly retarded. Anyone who is caught doing either should have their car crushed.
based on what technical assessment though?
adding a larger moment arm on a wheel hub by using a spacer set up or adding an angle to the tyre wall changes dynamics (mainly for the better in terms of handling and ride)
i do find it funny though that some modifications bring about these type of reactions without any real backing but speeding is ok and thats shown to be a killer yet everyone does it
stretched tyres and widening cars are used in a number of motor sports successfully and that puts way more strain on the mechanicals than driving around town. there is a real difference between dangerous and things not being certified.
good example is aftermarket HID headlamp systems. They pass an mot ok but the police can make you remove....not because they are dangerous or misaligned but because the headlamp unit itself is not CE approved for that bulb type.
anyway, i'll keep this thread going with more "scenes" as they come to me as a way of increasing the visibility of the modifying community.
JJ
adding a larger moment arm on a wheel hub by using a spacer set up or adding an angle to the tyre wall changes dynamics (mainly for the better in terms of handling and ride)
i do find it funny though that some modifications bring about these type of reactions without any real backing but speeding is ok and thats shown to be a killer yet everyone does it
stretched tyres and widening cars are used in a number of motor sports successfully and that puts way more strain on the mechanicals than driving around town. there is a real difference between dangerous and things not being certified.
good example is aftermarket HID headlamp systems. They pass an mot ok but the police can make you remove....not because they are dangerous or misaligned but because the headlamp unit itself is not CE approved for that bulb type.
anyway, i'll keep this thread going with more "scenes" as they come to me as a way of increasing the visibility of the modifying community.
JJ
problemchild1976 said:
stretched tyres and widening cars are used in a number of motor sports successfully and that puts way more strain on the mechanicals than driving around town. there is a real difference between dangerous and things not being certified.
Because motorsport venues are exactly like public roads 
Stretched tyres and stupid camber on road cars are yet another follow-the-rest-of-the-sheep mod.
no - they are harder on mechanicals and thats my point
if they can survive this then they can survive the daily commute in traffic haha
the thing is, stretch is not illegal - there is no legislation against them, nor is it an MOT fail. Mine have passed many MOTs
ALL tyres are too narrow for the rims they are fitted to and a single width tyre is normally stated to fit a range of rim sizes (can be up to 2" variation) as its the air that holds the tyre to the rim and makes the seal as well as taking the load of the car, not the tyre structure...this only has to contain the pressure.
tyre walls are designed to flex side to side and in compression. the angle at which this compression happens is tougher on the walls at 90 degrees vs a shallower angle (there is a reason why the pyramids don't have sides that go straight up)
so conjecture on either extra load on hubs/bearings caused by a 20mm spacer or on the overall tyre structure is not a justification for just not approving. if we are to shout down anyone that stretches tyres then in the same breath we also need to shout down those that don't monitor tyre pressures or tyre condition daily. in fact i'd go as far stating that people who do stretch take a much higher degree of care with their wheels and tyres than your average motorist.
under or over inflated tyres, side wall damage or speeding pose a much more significant risk.
its ok to not like
i'm not a fan, i am just highly limited with wheel availability and a stretch makes them fit better.
JJ
if they can survive this then they can survive the daily commute in traffic haha
the thing is, stretch is not illegal - there is no legislation against them, nor is it an MOT fail. Mine have passed many MOTs
ALL tyres are too narrow for the rims they are fitted to and a single width tyre is normally stated to fit a range of rim sizes (can be up to 2" variation) as its the air that holds the tyre to the rim and makes the seal as well as taking the load of the car, not the tyre structure...this only has to contain the pressure.
tyre walls are designed to flex side to side and in compression. the angle at which this compression happens is tougher on the walls at 90 degrees vs a shallower angle (there is a reason why the pyramids don't have sides that go straight up)
so conjecture on either extra load on hubs/bearings caused by a 20mm spacer or on the overall tyre structure is not a justification for just not approving. if we are to shout down anyone that stretches tyres then in the same breath we also need to shout down those that don't monitor tyre pressures or tyre condition daily. in fact i'd go as far stating that people who do stretch take a much higher degree of care with their wheels and tyres than your average motorist.
under or over inflated tyres, side wall damage or speeding pose a much more significant risk.
its ok to not like
i'm not a fan, i am just highly limited with wheel availability and a stretch makes them fit better.
JJ
Edited by problemchild1976 on Friday 7th July 19:15
and clearly the stance and stretch on this singer porker makes it look terrible 
read this once.... (and it applies to lots of things like HIDs as well)
[qoute]I can only pass or fail what the vosa manual dictates to me regardless of what I personally think
I hate stretch tyres it's just dangerous but that's just an opinion [/img]
...never a truer word said. personal opinion vs legislation.
i would think michael jackson's plastic surgeon wasn't personally gonna choose that nose but that was his job.
JJ
read this once.... (and it applies to lots of things like HIDs as well)
[qoute]I can only pass or fail what the vosa manual dictates to me regardless of what I personally think
I hate stretch tyres it's just dangerous but that's just an opinion [/img]
...never a truer word said. personal opinion vs legislation.
i would think michael jackson's plastic surgeon wasn't personally gonna choose that nose but that was his job.
JJ
Edited by problemchild1976 on Friday 7th July 19:29
problemchild1976 said:
Max Power Generation...
When the things to do were lambo doors, flip paint, morette quad headlights, crazy body kits, huge ICE installs, under car neons etc etc
takes me back
JJ
Ready for some hate, but I'd like to build a throwback car of some sort like this, maybe a Nova because they were everywhere at the time. People will hate the car, but it'd get attention and isn't that point of it all? When the things to do were lambo doors, flip paint, morette quad headlights, crazy body kits, huge ICE installs, under car neons etc etc
takes me back
JJ
Air Ride (or air suspension) or "bagging":
replacing a cars damper and springs with adjustable air bags, normally powered by a compressor and tank in the boot.
akin to luxury car air suspension or bus/lorry set ups but not to be confused by citroen style suspension which is hydro-pneumatic (fluid AND air....well nitrogen mainly)
shows the stationary position and then the driving position
can give you effects such as this...
for show purposes
obviously you do not drive in this configuration
the systems are fully height adjustable so for "showing off" you may decide to cruise in a v low configuration
obviously as vehicle height changes, as does wheel geometry hence why bagged cars will not drive like this for long
JJ
replacing a cars damper and springs with adjustable air bags, normally powered by a compressor and tank in the boot.
akin to luxury car air suspension or bus/lorry set ups but not to be confused by citroen style suspension which is hydro-pneumatic (fluid AND air....well nitrogen mainly)
shows the stationary position and then the driving position
can give you effects such as this...
for show purposes
obviously you do not drive in this configuration
the systems are fully height adjustable so for "showing off" you may decide to cruise in a v low configuration
obviously as vehicle height changes, as does wheel geometry hence why bagged cars will not drive like this for long
JJ
Edited by problemchild1976 on Friday 7th July 19:58
Edited by problemchild1976 on Friday 7th July 19:59
dme123 said:
Mr2Mike said:
GroundEffect said:
A word is only as racist as those on the end of it and its connotations...
Again, youre happy for the P-word to be used?
Yes, provided it's not used as a racial slur. The N-word is regularly used without racial connotations, so why not the P-word? Should we also outlaw the use of Brit, Aussie, Kiwi, Yank, Jock etc. because some delicate souls feel they need to be offended?Again, youre happy for the P-word to be used?
Anyway, we are getting wildly off-topic, lets see some more cars that have been rendered unusable by the attentions of the retarded.
Anyone can be prejudiced about a group and these terms are generally mild manifestations of such prejudice, however to actually constitute racism there needs to be systemic power. This is why, on the whole, while black people can be prejudiced against whites it doesn't actually constitute racism - ultimately as a people their prejudices make little or no difference to white people, whereas the reverse is quite patently not true.
So there you go: Racism/sexism/whatever-ism = prejudice + power
The argument that gets daily mail readers and their "you have to be black to get ahead these days" angle all riled up is their misunderstanding of power and oppression. An unsuccessful white man doesn't generally appreciate or understand the privilege and power that he has due to his race and gender, and will focus on individual examples and refuse to consider the bigger picture.
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