£10k gbox bill on 4yr old Audi. Was it ever fit for purpose?

[djc206]

KTF said:

I am on my second Kia and my wife has a Hyundai. None of them have had a single thing go wrong and they only go to the dealer for an annual service. I couldn't care less about impressing the neighbours.

Kia have a DSG box as well now and they are the only brand I would buy with one fitted as it will be covered for 7 years/100k.

My parents Audi A3 never had anything go wrong with it. The Kia Sportage they replaced it with had a major issue with the dashboard that meant it all needed to be replaced. Despite that they stuck with Kia and have another sportage not because they're particularly good (engine choices are terrible) but because they're cheap and mum isn't fussed about having a nice car to drive around the country lanes of sussex getting scratched and muddy.

All 3 of my Audis suffered major faults including a gearbox replacement in my RS4 at 14k miles. I now drive a Ford. As a place to sit it's not a patch on the Audis, it is however nice to drive and a lot cheaper. As a prospect they're are apples and oranges though. I won't get another Audi in a hurry but would buy German purely because of the quality of the interior, I can tolerate a courtesy car every couple of years for a week. I would never buy an automatic German car outside of warranty.

[jamoor]

KTF said:

DuraAce said:

Perhaps. Not in my case though, several Audis (+other vag groups) over a 250k mile/ten year period all with problems of various natures. DSG failure, swirl flaps/inlet manifold, numerous electrical glitches etc etc.
Changed to a KIA, 50k miles so far with no bills.
Luckily I couldn't care less about image etc!

I am on my second Kia and my wife has a Hyundai. None of them have had a single thing go wrong and they only go to the dealer for an annual service. I couldn't care less about impressing the neighbours.

Kia have a DSG box as well now and they are the only brand I would buy with one fitted as it will be covered for 7 years/100k.

This is the thing, if you want a well built and reliable car you'd get a japanese or Korean one.

Problem with Japanese cars is they're a bit too scientific with their procedures to vehicle design. They tend to be designed for the task in hand and exactly that.

[Markbarry1977]

I got rid of a Porsche about 18 months ago (bore scoring and various other issues), I had a Hyundai coupe for 5 years and sold the piece of st as soon as it was out of warranty, must have been in the garage 10-15 times in 5 years for warranty work (admittedly some of those were repeats for the same things failing repeatedly).

If Kia did a rip snorting 300bhp+ sports car with rear wheel drive and 7 year/100000 mile warranty I would have snapped one up. (Mate has a c'eed gt pro tech and it's bloody lovely. Alas they don't.

I ended up in a m135i.. Fantastic car but I'm in no doubt I will be paying through the nose for it.

[KTF]

Alucidnation said:

Is that just in case it does go wrong during your ownership?

Yes. I think the DSG is brilliant but they seem to have a few issues. Haven't heard anything bad about the Kia/Hyundai ones though but there are less of them about than VAG equipped cars.

[skyrover]

jamoor said:

KTF said:

DuraAce said:

Perhaps. Not in my case though, several Audis (+other vag groups) over a 250k mile/ten year period all with problems of various natures. DSG failure, swirl flaps/inlet manifold, numerous electrical glitches etc etc.
Changed to a KIA, 50k miles so far with no bills.
Luckily I couldn't care less about image etc!

I am on my second Kia and my wife has a Hyundai. None of them have had a single thing go wrong and they only go to the dealer for an annual service. I couldn't care less about impressing the neighbours.

Kia have a DSG box as well now and they are the only brand I would buy with one fitted as it will be covered for 7 years/100k.

This is the thing, if you want a well built and reliable car you'd get a japanese or Korean one.

Problem with Japanese cars is they're a bit too scientific with their procedures to vehicle design. They tend to be designed for the task in hand and exactly that.

Japanese/Asian culture is very risk averse.

They prefer to play it safe and stick with what works, hence why you will still find parts from a 1990 Lexus in a mid-2000 model.

It means their car's are very reliable, if a little boring.

[Alucidnation]

I am guessing that VAG design the boxes and ZF or whoever make them?

[anonymous-user]

skyrover said:

Japanese/Asian culture is very risk averse.

They prefer to play it safe and stick with what works, hence why you will still find parts from a 1990 Lexus in a mid-2000 model.

It means their car's are very reliable, if a little boring.

Skyline, LFA, NSX, Supra......

[ZX10R NIN]

GTI-R/Vertex GS300/RX7/Subaru SVX

[Shore]

Happy to make an offer to you on your Audi. Taking into consideration the fault with the gearbox I can offer £2000 for it as is.

[djc206]

jamoor said:

This is the thing, if you want a well built and reliable car you'd get a japanese or Korean one.

Problem with Japanese cars is they're a bit too scientific with their procedures to vehicle design. They tend to be designed for the task in hand and exactly that.

Except the new civic type R which was designed by a child given access to the whole of Hondas spare parts bin. Ugly doesn't cut it.

[nickfrog]

djc206 said:

Ugly doesn't cut it.

I appreciate looks/image are very important to some. But I reckon they're also quite subjective.

[djc206]

nickfrog said:

I appreciate looks/image are very important to some. But I reckon they're also quite subjective.

The image is one of a half decent car with st stuck all over it for no good reason. I loved the original type R, what a lovely understated little car and fantastic to drive. The new one I just don't understand how anyone can look at it and think that looks good or even I'd be seen dead in that. Which is a shame because it's almost certainly a fantastic car hidden behind all the Mansory style crap that's attached to it. I will never find out.

[Guybrush]

skyrover said:

Can't be doing their brand image much good. People do actually have memories and will increasingly look elsewhere.

Meanwhile Kia/Hyundai offer a 10 year 100,000 mile warranty in the USA

So do Mitsubishi. Porsche warranties in the USA are longer too.

[cuprabob]

Alucidnation said:

I am guessing that VAG design the boxes and ZF or whoever make them?

VAG DSG is designed by Borg Warner.

[nickfrog]

djc206 said:

The new one I just don't understand how anyone can look at it and think that looks good or even I'd be seen dead in that.

It's easy to understand, it's subjective.

[Ahbefive]

nickfrog said:

djc206 said:

The new one I just don't understand how anyone can look at it and think that looks good or even I'd be seen dead in that.

It's easy to understand, it's subjective.

Thats like saying that the aesthetics of faeces are subjective. Yes there is always some sick bugger that likes it but generally it's just wrong.

[Gary C]

catman said:

Gary C said:

You would like to think so.

But how does the new owner prove they didn't over Rev it.

A number in the club did buy cars from an opc then have extended warranties refused too.

Edited by Gary C on Friday 17th March 22:13

My understanding is that the timing of the over-revving is recorded, which could prove that it happened before purchase.

Tim

Maybe your right for current ones but not sure about older ones. thinking harder it was extended warranties that were refused because cars they had bought in good faith from opc's had a recorded cat 4 or 5 over Rev that it was impossible to tell who had caused it.

[ian_c_uk]

Markbarry1977 said:

If Kia did a rip snorting 300bhp+ sports car with rear wheel drive and 7 year/100000 mile warranty I would have snapped one up.

3.3 V6 turbo, 365bhp, RWD...

https://www.kia.com/uk/new-cars/all-new-stinger/




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[catman]

Gary C said:

Maybe your right for current ones but not sure about older ones. thinking harder it was extended warranties that were refused because cars they had bought in good faith from opc's had a recorded cat 4 or 5 over Rev that it was impossible to tell who had caused it.

I thought that it went back to the 996, so quite a while ago. In a civil action, the burden of proof would have been lower, so a letter before action may have worked, along with some negative feedback on the web.

If Porsche said that they couldn't tell when the over- revs occurred, it proves that they didn't check the car properly before buying or selling it!

Tim

Edited by catman on Monday 20th March 16:38

[culpz]

ian_c_uk said:

Markbarry1977 said:

If Kia did a rip snorting 300bhp+ sports car with rear wheel drive and 7 year/100000 mile warranty I would have snapped one up.

3.3 V6 turbo, 365bhp, RWD...

https://www.kia.com/uk/new-cars/all-new-stinger/




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I was going to quote/suggest that. However, as fantastic as i think it looks and will be to drive, it's not a sports car. It's a fast saloon.