Is this a case of road trolling?
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talksthetorque said:
I was pointing out that all this inconvenience of another driver has probably added 0.7 seconds to the journey.
Is it worth bothering about?
You've spent about sixty times that on this thread ( and a great deal of time on other threads) being a condescending t
t ( to join in the name calling). 
Keep digging. Do you seriously think a fully loaded articulated lorry will only lose 0.7 seconds if it has to slow down and pull in behind something, then accelerate again to get back to cruising speed?Is it worth bothering about?
You've spent about sixty times that on this thread ( and a great deal of time on other threads) being a condescending t
t ( to join in the name calling). I don't think so.
talksthetorque said:
I was pointing out that all this inconvenience of another driver has probably added 0.7 seconds to the journey.
Is it worth bothering about?
You've spent about sixty times that on this thread ( and a great deal of time on other threads) being a condescending tt ( to join in the name calling).
What people are trying to point out to you is that your calculation of 0.7 secs is based on the lorry coming to an instant stop then instantly speeding back up to 56mph behind the Pug - impossible physics. Is it worth bothering about?
You've spent about sixty times that on this thread ( and a great deal of time on other threads) being a condescending t
t ( to join in the name calling). The cars behind the lorry certainly wont appreciate any further slowing down and really wont appreciate an artic slamming the brakes on infront of them.
at a guess I would say to safely back off the whole length of a truck and move over you will be looking at 10 secs + and pissing off everyone behind to an immeasurable degree.
KevinCamaroSS said:
Keep digging. Do you seriously think a fully loaded articulated lorry will only lose 0.7 seconds if it has to slow down and pull in behind something, then accelerate again to get back to cruising speed?
I don't think so.
Yes, I seriously think that. It's wierd to think about that isn't it.I don't think so.
It will add about 0.7 seconds to the journey.
Maybe 1 or 2 seconds, as being a professional driver the lorry will not tailgate the car that has just pissed them off. See below for a better explaination
RB Will said:
What people are trying to point out to you is that your calculation of 0.7 secs is based on the lorry coming to an instant stop then instantly speeding back up to 56mph behind the Pug - impossible physics.
The cars behind the lorry certainly wont appreciate any further slowing down and really wont appreciate an artic slamming the brakes on infront of them.
at a guess I would say to safely back off the whole length of a truck and move over you will be looking at 10 secs + and pissing off everyone behind to an immeasurable degree.
I didn't base the calculation on instantaneous braking and accelerating. The cars behind the lorry certainly wont appreciate any further slowing down and really wont appreciate an artic slamming the brakes on infront of them.
at a guess I would say to safely back off the whole length of a truck and move over you will be looking at 10 secs + and pissing off everyone behind to an immeasurable degree.
The calculation is not based on how long the manoeuvre takes, because that has no bearing on the amount of time it costs the lorry.
It is based on the affect on the journey time - How much longer the journey would take.
That is the time that has been lost - not how long the manoeuvre takes.
Imagine there is a bridge 1 mile up the road.
If the lorry drops back behind the car, it will arrive at the bridge 0.7 seconds later than if it had held station at the side of the car.
So that's you arriving 0.7s later than you would had done if Mr/Mrs Pug didn't have inferiority/concentration issues.
Maybe think about it the other way round.
The lorry is behind a car travelling at a steady speed ( so not the Peugeot or whatever it was in the OP)
The lorry is following using the "two second rule"
The lorry overtakes the car and end up with the car two seconds behind it.
The lorry is now four seconds ahead of where it would have been had it kept station two seconds behind the other car.
It does not matter if the overtake took 10 seconds 30 seconds, a minute, five minutes - whatever.
It has knocked four seconds off its journey time.
You may have wasted 30 seconds of your life dropping back behind the Puggy t
t.But you will arrive at the back doors of Ann Summers a couple of seconds later with your lorry full of brightly coloured dildos from the Dildo factory you picked them up from because of this.
The time a manoeuvre takes is not the same as the effect on your journey.
RB Will said:
That's taking the assumption that the Pug then holds the same speed as the lorry for the rest of the trip and the pug has already shown they can't hold a steady speed
You assumed I thought lorries can brake and accelerate from 56-0-56mph and back instantaneously, so shall we call that one a draw? 
Edited by talksthetorque on Monday 20th February 22:43
darthmarmite said:
I think it's mainly people who aren't on cruise control and have either let up a bit on the accelerator or haven't realised that the road incline has steepened, thus causing their speed to slowly begin to drop.
The roads seem to be full of people who haven't twigged that they need to put their foot down a bit more for hills. Does my nut losing momentum behind these cretins sat in lane 3.Frances The Mute said:
In my experience, this 'behaviour' is deliberate and on the increase.
I travel a reasonable amount with work and not a week goes by without someone trying this on me. Unfortunately, my daily is a little athsmatic to say the least so I can also fall foul in certain circumstances.
Yep and there are those that are driving at x speed until you come past they then speed up and start following you, you slow down, they slow down, you speed up....I travel a reasonable amount with work and not a week goes by without someone trying this on me. Unfortunately, my daily is a little athsmatic to say the least so I can also fall foul in certain circumstances.
Like the arse in the white C220d coupe I encountered on Sunday on the A1, it's weird but keeps happening.
I was stuck behind a pair of OAPS in a 1.2 corsa yesterday who insisted on doing 40 in a 60. Nice winding, country lanes with quite a bumpy surface so precious little safe overtaking opportunities so I just held back and patiently followed them, watching them brake from 2/3 of the limit for every corner.
As I knew the roads quite well I knew there was a really quite tight (10 mph) corner with a well sighted exit (low hedges either side) and a straight road so I checked the oncoming traffic (nothing for quite a way) and went for a safe and unaggressive overtake only for them to speed up.
I wasn't overly concerned but it did make the driver seem a rather petulant and angry individual.
Had the old boy accelerated at his usual rate (and up to his usual speed) the manoeuvre would have been completely unremarkable yet because of his idiocy I undoubtedly looked like the aggressor to the oncoming vehicle when in reality I wasn't.
I was "trolled" but I didn't retaliate and just thought how lucky I was not to be driving a corsa on a Sunday afternoon.
As I knew the roads quite well I knew there was a really quite tight (10 mph) corner with a well sighted exit (low hedges either side) and a straight road so I checked the oncoming traffic (nothing for quite a way) and went for a safe and unaggressive overtake only for them to speed up.
I wasn't overly concerned but it did make the driver seem a rather petulant and angry individual.
Had the old boy accelerated at his usual rate (and up to his usual speed) the manoeuvre would have been completely unremarkable yet because of his idiocy I undoubtedly looked like the aggressor to the oncoming vehicle when in reality I wasn't.
I was "trolled" but I didn't retaliate and just thought how lucky I was not to be driving a corsa on a Sunday afternoon.
talksthetorque said:
It is based on the affect on the journey time - How much longer the journey would take.
That is the time that has been lost - not how long the manoeuvre takes.
The time that's actually been lost is due to the indeterminate amount of time the lorry had to sit behind the car at 50mph, where it would have been able to do 56mph had the car not been there.That is the time that has been lost - not how long the manoeuvre takes.
Not to mention all the time lost by at least dozens of other vehicles due to the two-lane rolling roadblock - which would also not have happened but for the car.
I think that if you aren't using cruise control and aren't watching the speedo you subconsciously use the rate the scenery flows past in the corner of your eyes to keep your speed steady. So if someone isn't concentrating they naturally speed up when passed. Similar to way you think the train you're on has started to move when it's the train alongside moving the other way.
Engineer792 said:
Is it too much to expect that drivers keep themselves at least vaguely aware of what's going on around them?
What is this crazy talk!! You mean you actually expect people to consider others, take note of their surroundings, drive according to road conditions, adhere to the Highway Code and be courteous to other human beings? To be honest it shouldn't be this hard and I'm sure many moronic drivers are ok day to day, put them behind the wheel of a car though and they become morons!
Might be the lorry...
I was on the M62(?) the other day. The motorway highest in the UK, on the way to Huddersfield from Manchester.
I overtake a lorry in the outside lane and halfway past it, he signals right and starts pulling over.
I speed up to get infront without being crushed and when I do get in front (in my own lane) he flashes at me and starts beeping his horn and getting all agressive.
Not quite sure why given that he obviously didn't look in his mirrors...or does he expect that when he indicates any traffic overtaking him is supposed to do an emergency stop on the outer lane of a motorway and let him go infront of them?
I was on the M62(?) the other day. The motorway highest in the UK, on the way to Huddersfield from Manchester.
I overtake a lorry in the outside lane and halfway past it, he signals right and starts pulling over.
I speed up to get infront without being crushed and when I do get in front (in my own lane) he flashes at me and starts beeping his horn and getting all agressive.
Not quite sure why given that he obviously didn't look in his mirrors...or does he expect that when he indicates any traffic overtaking him is supposed to do an emergency stop on the outer lane of a motorway and let him go infront of them?
Non distronic cruise control is a royal pain IMO.
I will be sitting there doing 70mph on the inside lane coming up to traffic and quite a lot of time someone will be on the outside lane...they will slow down to sit in my blind spot and force me to slow down (ie come off cruise control) so I don't rear end the car in front. Then they will speed up and blast past both of us then accelerate back up to 90+ when infront of me.
Happens ALL THE TIME I don't get it?
I will be sitting there doing 70mph on the inside lane coming up to traffic and quite a lot of time someone will be on the outside lane...they will slow down to sit in my blind spot and force me to slow down (ie come off cruise control) so I don't rear end the car in front. Then they will speed up and blast past both of us then accelerate back up to 90+ when infront of me.
Happens ALL THE TIME I don't get it?
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