Just bought a DSG...
Discussion
Tonsko said:
... And wondering if there's anything special that I need to know. Never owned an auto before, it seems to just do it's own thing with me not needing to think about it. Is there a driving style that I should adopt that is more sympathetic than another?
Also, in the semi-seq 'manual' mode, you can see '4-6' on the dash, is there any way i can jump to 4th from 6th? Pretty much used to drive my R32 day to day at 2-4-6, unless I wanted to make progress. I suspect not, as that the whole point, but is the computer then suggesting that I change 4-5-6 quickly, not really using 5?
Is on a 2016 Scirocco R if that makes a difference.
Cheers!
Edit - got the 6-4 4-6 gears wrong way around! Should be 4-6
That's called a block shift. It will only block shift down if you use the kick down or drop it into sport mode when you are at low revs. I don't think it will block shift up (or in any other scenario) and I've never seen it.Also, in the semi-seq 'manual' mode, you can see '4-6' on the dash, is there any way i can jump to 4th from 6th? Pretty much used to drive my R32 day to day at 2-4-6, unless I wanted to make progress. I suspect not, as that the whole point, but is the computer then suggesting that I change 4-5-6 quickly, not really using 5?
Is on a 2016 Scirocco R if that makes a difference.
Cheers!
Edit - got the 6-4 4-6 gears wrong way around! Should be 4-6
Edited by Tonsko on Monday 20th February 08:16
Waiting to be corrected.....!
Technically when going 4-6, 5 will already have been preselected and needs to be engaged momentarily whilst it selects 6
Dsg is a good gearbox if you learn to drive it properly and understand how it works. Common complaints will be dither and snatch when pulling away, both are due to not understanding what the gearbox is doing.
Dither at roundabouts typically comes from the car thinking you are stopping but you choosing to pull away again, two ways round this, use the paddles as you approach or brake early then reapply even the lightest accelerator so the car thinks you are moving off again and keeps the gears engaged.
Snatch, is caused by over enthusiastic accelerator engagement before the clutches have engaged, learn to think ahead, let the clutches engage then press the loud pedal.
Dsg is a good gearbox if you learn to drive it properly and understand how it works. Common complaints will be dither and snatch when pulling away, both are due to not understanding what the gearbox is doing.
Dither at roundabouts typically comes from the car thinking you are stopping but you choosing to pull away again, two ways round this, use the paddles as you approach or brake early then reapply even the lightest accelerator so the car thinks you are moving off again and keeps the gears engaged.
Snatch, is caused by over enthusiastic accelerator engagement before the clutches have engaged, learn to think ahead, let the clutches engage then press the loud pedal.
Edited by SMB on Monday 20th February 10:24
Edited by SMB on Monday 20th February 10:53
You have to change your driving style to get the best out of DSG and drive around the little quirks. You'll soon get used to it and don't forget to give "launch mode" a go.
I actually preferred to use the gearstick to shift up and down in manual mode rather than the paddles, although the latter are handy to switch into manual temporarily while in Drive. For me Sport mode was next to useless in normal driving.
As said, there are plenty of safety features with tbe box so you can't do anything stupid
I actually preferred to use the gearstick to shift up and down in manual mode rather than the paddles, although the latter are handy to switch into manual temporarily while in Drive. For me Sport mode was next to useless in normal driving.
As said, there are plenty of safety features with tbe box so you can't do anything stupid
Kindest way to drive it if not in a hurry is to release the foot brake and allow the clutches to engage before going near the throttle. Stops the lurching behaviour and not an issue if pressing on as it'll engage clutches much quicker
Launch control with front wheel drive is comedy way to shred tyres. I struggle for traction in our GTI in the current weather! In our S5 you can pin it in any weather and it just goes
Launch control with front wheel drive is comedy way to shred tyres. I struggle for traction in our GTI in the current weather! In our S5 you can pin it in any weather and it just goes
Adrian E said:
Kindest way to drive it if not in a hurry is to release the foot brake and allow the clutches to engage before going near the throttle.
I'm adding another vote for this; the newer you go the smoother they are anyway but this little change to your driving makes for a smoother experience.I also like to manually drop a couple of pegs coming up to junctions/roundabouts to avoid waiting for a kickdown. If I do end up having to stop anyway the gearbox will take back control and carry on as normal.
If you're combined with either start/stop or hold-assist the software for both seemed to improve greatly in 2015 but Adrian's point still makes for the smoothest drive.
Our Golf has the full set of stop/start, auto hold and DSG. The behaviour varies depending which are on and off. I find if stop/start is working AND auto hold is active the different way the system detects you're attempting to pull away (i.e. not just releasing the foot brake to start the engine, but requiring throttle input) can make for some lurching progress if you're trying to get off the line with any haste! I end up not using auto hold unless stuck in a traffic jam as it's too easy to end up with an over application of throttle to get the engine running and a lurch off the line.
Our 2011 S5 definitely suffers more potential shunt going 2nd to 1st as you slow to a near stop, but annoyingly you need to be <1mph before it selects 1st gear. The torque means it's never as big an issue - I'm aware the same drivetrain with the smaller diesel engines can be a bit horrid in the same circumstances when you try and pull away in a torque trough!
Our 2011 S5 definitely suffers more potential shunt going 2nd to 1st as you slow to a near stop, but annoyingly you need to be <1mph before it selects 1st gear. The torque means it's never as big an issue - I'm aware the same drivetrain with the smaller diesel engines can be a bit horrid in the same circumstances when you try and pull away in a torque trough!
mybrainhurts said:
thebraketester said:
mybrainhurts said:
Don't break it. Ten grand for a new one.
Mmm... its about 2K for a new mechatronics unit.People put 400bhp+ through that same gearbox without issue.
Adrian E said:
Our Golf has the full set of stop/start, auto hold and DSG. The behaviour varies depending which are on and off. I find if stop/start is working AND auto hold is active the different way the system detects you're attempting to pull away (i.e. not just releasing the foot brake to start the engine, but requiring throttle input) can make for some lurching progress if you're trying to get off the line with any haste! I end up not using auto hold unless stuck in a traffic jam as it's too easy to end up with an over application of throttle to get the engine running and a lurch off the line.
We turned off auto-hold (it seems pointless in an auto, and I don't like the way it turns the brake lights off, although on very recent cars it leaves them on) and only use stop/start if going to be stopped for a couple of mins or more.Never driven a DSG before we got this one and I think it works just fine (7 speed wet clutch in a Tiguan). I gather there's half-a-dozen versions and they do vary though.
Dr G said:
I'm adding another vote for this; the newer you go the smoother
Can confirm this; I had a 2004 A3, 3.2 DSG which, I believe was the first model (2003) to get the DSG? It was fine but the clutch take up from standstill in forward (D, S or manual) was always bit jerky, on/off and difficult to modulate even when new, especially when trying to inch up to a wall for example. Oddly it was very smooth in reverse?
I now have a 2014 S4 and that has a much smoother take up, I suppose 10 years of development should have improved the breed.
thebraketester said:
mybrainhurts said:
thebraketester said:
mybrainhurts said:
Don't break it. Ten grand for a new one.
Mmm... its about 2K for a new mechatronics unit.People put 400bhp+ through that same gearbox without issue.
So, perhaps, not slim to zero.
mybrainhurts said:
thebraketester said:
mybrainhurts said:
thebraketester said:
mybrainhurts said:
Don't break it. Ten grand for a new one.
Mmm... its about 2K for a new mechatronics unit.People put 400bhp+ through that same gearbox without issue.
So, perhaps, not slim to zero.
Although both Dsg/S-tronic, i would suggest the gearbox in a Fwd Scirocco shares very little in common with an A4 gearbox.
Warby80 said:
mybrainhurts said:
thebraketester said:
mybrainhurts said:
thebraketester said:
mybrainhurts said:
Don't break it. Ten grand for a new one.
Mmm... its about 2K for a new mechatronics unit.People put 400bhp+ through that same gearbox without issue.
So, perhaps, not slim to zero.
Although both Dsg/S-tronic, i would suggest the gearbox in a Fwd Scirocco shares very little in common with an A4 gearbox.
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