New civilian operated radar cars in France.
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My apologies for the translation.
This starts this week.
Embedded radars, managed by private companies, will flash more vehicles.
French Road Safety announced Monday the launch of experimentation of embedded radars run by private companies, to the dismay of the association 40 million motorists who denounces their "privatization". It's a way to make more use of these radars. The test begins Friday in Normandy. It "will not give rise to any contravention" at first, ensures Road Safety.
The roads of Normandy will host the experimentation of embedded radars managed by private companies, as of Friday. This test will last until September 1st, when the device will be operational in Normandy with "the first radar car driven by a private operator" , before being "progressively extended to other regions" .
This launch follows the announcement by the government on October 2, 2015 of the "outsourcing" of the piloting of cars carrying the new generation mobile radars (RMNG), entrusted to "authorized service providers" by the State to multiply the Number of checks. A call for tenders had been launched.
"Generating large sums of money"
"The privatization of embedded radars has no other purpose than to generate, thanks to the fines resulting from the contraventions, large sums of money which will end up in the coffers of the State ... On the other hand, No proof that this measure has any positive effect on road safety , " said the president of 40 million motorists, Daniel Quero.
The association estimates that, at full capacity, this system will enable the State to collect 2.2 billion euros a year. Having gathered nearly 300,000 signatures in a petition against this "scandalous measure" , it calls Motorists to send them their photos which will then be broadcast for a "digital event" .
Companies roll automatic radars.
Interior Minister Bruno Le Roux announced on 8 January that the call for tenders had been launched so that these embarked radars "are entrusted to companies that will only drive them" . "They will remain under the responsibility of the State ," he assured, since the infractions are detected by the automatic radar embarked and that the speeding ticket is written by a police officer at the traffic offense processing center of Rennes.
"The average use of one of these radars is a little over an hour a day (1:13.), It is material that is underutilized. It needs much more use to ensure that the speeding behavior is punished, "explained Bruno Le Roux.
Private companies " will not be compensated for the number of infringements"
Private companies "will not be compensated for the number of infractions but for the time the radar has spent on the road ," he said.
This measure is part of a strategy to try to stop the increase in road fatalities since 2014. In 2016, 3,469 people died on the roads, an increase for the third consecutive year, the first since 1972.
This starts this week.
Embedded radars, managed by private companies, will flash more vehicles.
French Road Safety announced Monday the launch of experimentation of embedded radars run by private companies, to the dismay of the association 40 million motorists who denounces their "privatization". It's a way to make more use of these radars. The test begins Friday in Normandy. It "will not give rise to any contravention" at first, ensures Road Safety.
The roads of Normandy will host the experimentation of embedded radars managed by private companies, as of Friday. This test will last until September 1st, when the device will be operational in Normandy with "the first radar car driven by a private operator" , before being "progressively extended to other regions" .
This launch follows the announcement by the government on October 2, 2015 of the "outsourcing" of the piloting of cars carrying the new generation mobile radars (RMNG), entrusted to "authorized service providers" by the State to multiply the Number of checks. A call for tenders had been launched.
"Generating large sums of money"
"The privatization of embedded radars has no other purpose than to generate, thanks to the fines resulting from the contraventions, large sums of money which will end up in the coffers of the State ... On the other hand, No proof that this measure has any positive effect on road safety , " said the president of 40 million motorists, Daniel Quero.
The association estimates that, at full capacity, this system will enable the State to collect 2.2 billion euros a year. Having gathered nearly 300,000 signatures in a petition against this "scandalous measure" , it calls Motorists to send them their photos which will then be broadcast for a "digital event" .
Companies roll automatic radars.
Interior Minister Bruno Le Roux announced on 8 January that the call for tenders had been launched so that these embarked radars "are entrusted to companies that will only drive them" . "They will remain under the responsibility of the State ," he assured, since the infractions are detected by the automatic radar embarked and that the speeding ticket is written by a police officer at the traffic offense processing center of Rennes.
"The average use of one of these radars is a little over an hour a day (1:13.), It is material that is underutilized. It needs much more use to ensure that the speeding behavior is punished, "explained Bruno Le Roux.
Private companies " will not be compensated for the number of infringements"
Private companies "will not be compensated for the number of infractions but for the time the radar has spent on the road ," he said.
This measure is part of a strategy to try to stop the increase in road fatalities since 2014. In 2016, 3,469 people died on the roads, an increase for the third consecutive year, the first since 1972.
Riley Blue said:
Coud you please give the source as I'd like to mention it to my France domiciled friends who think that they're so much better off than drivers in the UK.
They are way better off. At the moment virtually all the enforcement is on main routes with almost nothing elsewhere, and main route enforcement is far less than here anyway. And no average speed cameras.This new scheme will likely involves the main routes too for maximum money return.
Driving here is awful.
Riley Blue said:
Coud you please give the source as I'd like to mention it to my France domiciled friends who think that they're so much better off than drivers in the UK.
I can't think of a single thing which is better about driving in the UK compared with driving in France. Except maybe that I still can't remember which of the diamond signs means the start of the give way to the right and which means the end. creampuff said:
I can't think of a single thing which is better about driving in the UK compared with driving in France. Except maybe that I still can't remember which of the diamond signs means the start of the give way to the right and which means the end.
Not paying every 600 yards of motorway?creampuff said:
Riley Blue said:
Coud you please give the source as I'd like to mention it to my France domiciled friends who think that they're so much better off than drivers in the UK.
I can't think of a single thing which is better about driving in the UK compared with driving in France. It's worth noting that for the moment at least, this will not affect drivers driving UK registered cars in France. That may well change from May though.
I live on the Cote D'Azur and we already have a large number of unmarked cars in the region which they park up at the side of the road and put cameras in - everything from Dacia estate cars to VW Golfs. There's no indication they're got a camera in them until you get very, very close by which time it's far too late. They also have a few unmarked cars patrolling the roads which can flash you as you pass them, even though they themselves are moving as well.
For those who think enforcement is only on the main roads, this actually varies hugely by region. Some areas you can drive around for a week and never see a camera, but where I live I can easily pass 5-10 visible and hidden cameras in one half hour drive.
I live on the Cote D'Azur and we already have a large number of unmarked cars in the region which they park up at the side of the road and put cameras in - everything from Dacia estate cars to VW Golfs. There's no indication they're got a camera in them until you get very, very close by which time it's far too late. They also have a few unmarked cars patrolling the roads which can flash you as you pass them, even though they themselves are moving as well.
For those who think enforcement is only on the main roads, this actually varies hugely by region. Some areas you can drive around for a week and never see a camera, but where I live I can easily pass 5-10 visible and hidden cameras in one half hour drive.
Geekman said:
It's worth noting that for the moment at least, this will not affect drivers driving UK registered cars in France. That may well change from May though.
I live on the Cote D'Azur and we already have a large number of unmarked cars in the region which they park up at the side of the road and put cameras in - everything from Dacia estate cars to VW Golfs. There's no indication they're got a camera in them until you get very, very close by which time it's far too late. They also have a few unmarked cars patrolling the roads which can flash you as you pass them, even though they themselves are moving as well.
For those who think enforcement is only on the main roads, this actually varies hugely by region. Some areas you can drive around for a week and never see a camera, but where I live I can easily pass 5-10 visible and hidden cameras in one half hour drive.
This is all so depressing.I live on the Cote D'Azur and we already have a large number of unmarked cars in the region which they park up at the side of the road and put cameras in - everything from Dacia estate cars to VW Golfs. There's no indication they're got a camera in them until you get very, very close by which time it's far too late. They also have a few unmarked cars patrolling the roads which can flash you as you pass them, even though they themselves are moving as well.
For those who think enforcement is only on the main roads, this actually varies hugely by region. Some areas you can drive around for a week and never see a camera, but where I live I can easily pass 5-10 visible and hidden cameras in one half hour drive.
I have a house in the Haute-Vienne, and see no cameras there although it is very rural which may factor.
Although the UK is the most camera infested place in existence, there is no doubt the disease is spreading.
It's like a creeping death.
cmaguire said:
Geekman said:
It's worth noting that for the moment at least, this will not affect drivers driving UK registered cars in France. That may well change from May though.
I live on the Cote D'Azur and we already have a large number of unmarked cars in the region which they park up at the side of the road and put cameras in - everything from Dacia estate cars to VW Golfs. There's no indication they're got a camera in them until you get very, very close by which time it's far too late. They also have a few unmarked cars patrolling the roads which can flash you as you pass them, even though they themselves are moving as well.
For those who think enforcement is only on the main roads, this actually varies hugely by region. Some areas you can drive around for a week and never see a camera, but where I live I can easily pass 5-10 visible and hidden cameras in one half hour drive.
This is all so depressing.I live on the Cote D'Azur and we already have a large number of unmarked cars in the region which they park up at the side of the road and put cameras in - everything from Dacia estate cars to VW Golfs. There's no indication they're got a camera in them until you get very, very close by which time it's far too late. They also have a few unmarked cars patrolling the roads which can flash you as you pass them, even though they themselves are moving as well.
For those who think enforcement is only on the main roads, this actually varies hugely by region. Some areas you can drive around for a week and never see a camera, but where I live I can easily pass 5-10 visible and hidden cameras in one half hour drive.
I have a house in the Haute-Vienne, and see no cameras there although it is very rural which may factor.
Although the UK is the most camera infested place in existence, there is no doubt the disease is spreading.
It's like a creeping death.
cmaguire said:
This is all so depressing.
I have a house in the Haute-Vienne, and see no cameras there although it is very rural which may factor.
Although the UK is the most camera infested place in existence, there is no doubt the disease is spreading.
It's like a creeping death.
France (or my region at least) has been considerably worse for enforcement than the UK for quite a while now: at least in the UK the majority of our cameras are easily visible and outside of main routes are not that common. I suspect if I had to drive a French reg'd car in France and have a French licence, I'd be relieved of it in under a month. In comparison, I never had so much as a speed awareness course when I lived in the UK.I have a house in the Haute-Vienne, and see no cameras there although it is very rural which may factor.
Although the UK is the most camera infested place in existence, there is no doubt the disease is spreading.
It's like a creeping death.
Ive just come back from a weeks holiday in Portugal. I covered over 1200km around the Algarve, admittedly out of season but there was no real speeding but also i never saw a speed camera either, and there was a lack of cctv as well. I probably went past more cameras walking though Gatwick north terminal than my whole holiday. The days of screaming through France are long gone.
Does anyone here remember the pug 306 in grey that used to potter along on the the A4 motorway to Reims? it had a guy sat on the back seat with a radar gun and a massive flash, unbelievable that the police would do this, flash gun going off in the faces of speeders.
Does anyone here remember the pug 306 in grey that used to potter along on the the A4 motorway to Reims? it had a guy sat on the back seat with a radar gun and a massive flash, unbelievable that the police would do this, flash gun going off in the faces of speeders.
Poshbury said:
To be honest, most of the accidents I've seen in France have involved just the one vehicle, usually in a ditch.
They certainly have their own way of driving over here and it's sometimes weird. The tailgating for example, it's a national pastime.
It doesn't matter where you are, the assertion that speed reduction and its enforcement is the most productive method of reducing road deaths and serious injuries is still a con.They certainly have their own way of driving over here and it's sometimes weird. The tailgating for example, it's a national pastime.
cmaguire said:
Geekman said:
It's worth noting that for the moment at least, this will not affect drivers driving UK registered cars in France. That may well change from May though.
I live on the Cote D'Azur and we already have a large number of unmarked cars in the region which they park up at the side of the road and put cameras in - everything from Dacia estate cars to VW Golfs. There's no indication they're got a camera in them until you get very, very close by which time it's far too late. They also have a few unmarked cars patrolling the roads which can flash you as you pass them, even though they themselves are moving as well.
For those who think enforcement is only on the main roads, this actually varies hugely by region. Some areas you can drive around for a week and never see a camera, but where I live I can easily pass 5-10 visible and hidden cameras in one half hour drive.
This is all so depressing.I live on the Cote D'Azur and we already have a large number of unmarked cars in the region which they park up at the side of the road and put cameras in - everything from Dacia estate cars to VW Golfs. There's no indication they're got a camera in them until you get very, very close by which time it's far too late. They also have a few unmarked cars patrolling the roads which can flash you as you pass them, even though they themselves are moving as well.
For those who think enforcement is only on the main roads, this actually varies hugely by region. Some areas you can drive around for a week and never see a camera, but where I live I can easily pass 5-10 visible and hidden cameras in one half hour drive.
I have a house in the Haute-Vienne, and see no cameras there although it is very rural which may factor.
Although the UK is the most camera infested place in existence, there is no doubt the disease is spreading.
It's like a creeping death.
Perik Omo said:
I live in the Haute-Vienne and was caught 3 times in a short period last year, twice by new fixed cameras and once by a hidden camera in an unmarked car on sombody's driveway just off the N21! All the excess speeds were minimal and annoying as I wasn't "blatting" along taking the pi**.
When I go I always drive so A1 from Calais, then N104 or A86 at Paris, then A10, A20/71 and on to near Rochechouart. 10 years ago there were a handful of cameras on the way down, now there are probably 20.When I get there most of my travel is away from main roads so I can't remember any cameras, unlike here where they are everywhere.
But I suspect it'll happen eventually. Why anyone would want it is the mystery I can't get to grips with.
There seems to be a big increase in the use of speed traps since the start of last year and also of being stopped for document checks. There seems to be a speed trap/document check set up at the Cussac crossroads on the Chalus to Rochechouart (D901) road every Friday either morning or afternoon lately.
I was stopped for a document check at Sereilhac about 5 weeks ago and the Gendarme told me that I had to change my English license for a French one to get the points for my earlier speeding infractions! Is there a mobile link-up from the motorbikes to some central place so that they can check this as I've never heard about this before?
I was stopped for a document check at Sereilhac about 5 weeks ago and the Gendarme told me that I had to change my English license for a French one to get the points for my earlier speeding infractions! Is there a mobile link-up from the motorbikes to some central place so that they can check this as I've never heard about this before?
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