RE: Range Rover Velar teased
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Good to see Gerry Macgovern is still designing cars with a photocopier. He really is the worst thing to happen to Land Rover. I will admit probably not from a sales point of view as Bentley have proved any ugly piece of s
t will sell with the right badge but Land Rover just isnt Land Rover any more. I doubt there will even be a new Defender they will just keep putting it off until people stop asking
t will sell with the right badge but Land Rover just isnt Land Rover any more. I doubt there will even be a new Defender they will just keep putting it off until people stop asking 
Just specced one of these up on the RR website. I chose a Velar R-Design with 22's and various add on's such as deployable side steps, 22" wheels, ebony interior with suede etc and it come up north of £60k. All of a sudden I'm wondering if Im better off buying a FFRR 2015/16 for circa £50k??? Ps I haven't ordered yet. The main thing that attracted me was the interior entertainment and screens.
popeyewhite said:
Cfnteabag said:
Good to see Gerry Macgovern is still designing cars with a photocopier.
I couldn't tell the difference between that, the Disco sport, and the Evoque.Obviously all makes have some sort of corporate face/ styling cues, but anyone who denies that this is copy and paste styling taken to extreme needs to go to Specsavers.
Very poor, no more JLR products on my drive. Out.
FiF said:
popeyewhite said:
Cfnteabag said:
Good to see Gerry Macgovern is still designing cars with a photocopier.
I couldn't tell the difference between that, the Disco sport, and the Evoque.Obviously all makes have some sort of corporate face/ styling cues, but anyone who denies that this is copy and paste styling taken to extreme needs to go to Specsavers.
Very poor, no more JLR products on my drive. Out.
JiggyJaggy said:
Just specced one of these up on the RR website. I chose a Velar R-Design with 22's and various add on's such as deployable side steps, 22" wheels, ebony interior with suede etc and it come up north of £60k. All of a sudden I'm wondering if Im better off buying a FFRR 2015/16 for circa £50k??? Ps I haven't ordered yet. The main thing that attracted me was the interior entertainment and screens.
IMHO the Velar has just made the RRS look very dated - inside and out.Obviously there are other reasons to buy the RRS but I'd wait a while as I think the Velar will have a significantly detrimental effect on RRs second hand values...
I think it looks pretty decent. Obviously very similar to the rest of the family but really, what did you expect in this "corporate identity" obsessed rut that manufacturers seem to be in? The interior design is a step above anything else out at the moment and indeed it makes a lot of the other recent launches look very dated instantly.
My only qualm is that I don't think they've got the pricing quite right. A decent spec one without going mad is £60k+ which is into RRS territory and a massive jump between the price of a decently specced Evoque. I was interested in one initially for family duties but I'm not paying £60k for a car to drive to the shops in. I've no doubt these will sell like absolute hotcakes, you won't be able to move for them in certain parts of Essex. I think I'll wait and pick one up second hand in a few years.
I'd also agree about comments on the diesel line-up, really why? The rest of the car is bang up to date but a prominently diesel engine line-up?? Are manufacturers simply putting fingers in ears and going La La La at the huge backlash against diesel? They need to get a hybrid version out ASAP or hope that their customers are too stupid to realise that diesel is dead.
My only qualm is that I don't think they've got the pricing quite right. A decent spec one without going mad is £60k+ which is into RRS territory and a massive jump between the price of a decently specced Evoque. I was interested in one initially for family duties but I'm not paying £60k for a car to drive to the shops in. I've no doubt these will sell like absolute hotcakes, you won't be able to move for them in certain parts of Essex. I think I'll wait and pick one up second hand in a few years.
I'd also agree about comments on the diesel line-up, really why? The rest of the car is bang up to date but a prominently diesel engine line-up?? Are manufacturers simply putting fingers in ears and going La La La at the huge backlash against diesel? They need to get a hybrid version out ASAP or hope that their customers are too stupid to realise that diesel is dead.
Anglade said:
IMHO the Velar has just made the RRS look very dated - inside and out.
Obviously there are other reasons to buy the RRS but I'd wait a while as I think the Velar will have a significantly detrimental effect on RRs second hand values...
Good point and good advice. If only they could that lift that infotainment centre from the Velar and plonk it in a FFRR. My problems would be solved Obviously there are other reasons to buy the RRS but I'd wait a while as I think the Velar will have a significantly detrimental effect on RRs second hand values...
swisstoni said:
Staggering.
Why? They're going down a route that is not what I like nor what I need, both in terms of styling and away from a more utilitarian approach. Therefore will not be under consideration. Clearly there will be people who do like it and think it's the cat's pyjamas. They are perfectly entitled to that opinion, as am I to mine.FiF said:
Why? They're going down a route that is not what I like nor what I need, both in terms of styling and away from a more utilitarian approach. Therefore will not be under consideration. Clearly there will be people who do like it and think it's the cat's pyjamas. They are perfectly entitled to that opinion, as am I to mine.
Out of interest, what are you going to chose instead of a current JLR product?RacerMike said:
FiF said:
Why? They're going down a route that is not what I like nor what I need, both in terms of styling and away from a more utilitarian approach. Therefore will not be under consideration. Clearly there will be people who do like it and think it's the cat's pyjamas. They are perfectly entitled to that opinion, as am I to mine.
Out of interest, what are you going to chose instead of a current JLR product?The use is a mixture of road and off road, min of 5, often 6,, sometimes 7 days a week up farm/ forest / moorland tracks. Nothing excessive in terms of offroading, most days tbh a 2wd estate with some decent tyres would do it, except for ground clearance, a normal estate wouldn't cut it. So various JLR products had a reasonable mix of comfort and kit, on road ability, ground clearance, off road ability when it was needed and very important the underpinnings had the strength to survive all the potholes and ruts left by heavier vehicles.
I suppose one of the newer slightly raised estates, eg Octavia Scout, or one of the Scoobies could do it, but then I do like the elevated driving position, especially in these days of a seeming escalating power of the headlights battle. Many of the cheaper SUV's from other manufacturers just aren't intended for week in week out on unmettalled tracks imo. Suppose a dual cab pickup is an option, but round our way they instantly assume you're of a caravan dwelling persuasion, but they're increasingly an option, though I'm not keen on pickups generally.
I guess possibly some sort of Toyota Land Cruiser? But I ain't going to be throwing 50-60 grands worth of JLR stuff down those tracks, and then climbing back into those interiors after hours out in the rain and mud. Maybe I've been too used to getting one vehicle to cover so many uses, and go for something ratty, eg pickup, for that use and accept to have something more normal for road use.
Add in the complication that whilst, for example the Evoque , is very capable on road, and punts down my normal B road test track like a good 'un, it's way too small and I don't like the styling. A bigger much fancier version isn't going to do it either.
Sorry not answered your question, it's a quandary.
swisstoni said:
It was that you've now ruled out JLR forever that I found surprising.
Ok it wasn't stated but in essence ruled out while they continue to proceed as they are, and they show no sign of changing. Plenty of long term JLR customers who are thinking the same, just not blinded by the ooh shiny, fancy digital displays Posh Spice malarkey.FiF said:
Add in the complication that whilst, for example the Evoque , is very capable on road, and punts down my normal B road test track like a good 'un, it's way too small and I don't like the styling. A bigger much fancier version isn't going to do it either.
Sorry not answered your question, it's a quandary.
Would a low spec Velar not fill this roll though? It's bigger than the Evoque (and quite a bit bigger on the inside), very capable on the type of off roading you do, good on road and also a nice place to sit? Just playing devils advocate as I'm just interested as to whether it's the pre-conception that the Velar is going to be terrible off road because it looks fancy and doesn't have a ladder chassis, or whether it's because it genuinely doesn't fit.Sorry not answered your question, it's a quandary.
I think admittedly, you're at the point now with a Range Rover product that you're paying a premium for the badge, but they are still very, very capable in all their guises.
An Octavia allroad or Yeti is actually a very good car though, so I can't see a problem with getting one of those as you're not paying any badge premium...
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