RE: Range Rover Velar teased
Discussion
RacerMike said:
Would a low spec Velar not fill this roll though? It's bigger than the Evoque (and quite a bit bigger on the inside), very capable on the type of off roading you do, good on road and also a nice place to sit? Just playing devils advocate as I'm just interested as to whether it's the pre-conception that the Velar is going to be terrible off road because it looks fancy and doesn't have a ladder chassis, or whether it's because it genuinely doesn't fit.
I think admittedly, you're at the point now with a Range Rover product that you're paying a premium for the badge, but they are still very, very capable in all their guises.
An Octavia allroad or Yeti is actually a very good car though, so I can't see a problem with getting one of those as you're not paying any badge premium...
VERY seriously looked at a Yeti last time, shape and size of boot with all seats up eliminated it. Kodiaq? I think admittedly, you're at the point now with a Range Rover product that you're paying a premium for the badge, but they are still very, very capable in all their guises.
An Octavia allroad or Yeti is actually a very good car though, so I can't see a problem with getting one of those as you're not paying any badge premium...
Tbh I'm putting off the day, classic procrastination, as the current vehicle is going OK, just saying that has cast the death wish obviously.
RacerMike said:
I think admittedly, you're at the point now with a Range Rover product that you're paying a premium for the badge, but they are still very, very capable in all their guises.
This is the crux... no matter how fancy RR's get... there's nothing else that does luxury AND genuine all terrain ability. Only a Toyota Land Cruiser I'd say; and that's not as luxorious but still pricey! LDN said:
This is the crux... no matter how fancy RR's get... there's nothing else that does luxury AND genuine all terrain ability. Only a Toyota Land Cruiser I'd say; and that's not as luxorious but still pricey!
Having driven a Land Cruiser back to back with a current Range Rover off road, I'd actually struggle to say the Toyota does either luxury or offroad! I think the only thing it has going for it is the relative robustness of it's mechanical components, providing you don't mind losing half your front bumper on the lightest of touches....oh and a fetish for late 90's DVD player menu systems....Granfondo said:
What about a Shogun?
That's a fair shout.Increasingly found myself attracted to a Scooby Forester. They get criticised for being a bit dour and plain in the interior, but that suits me frankly. In and out over several hours in wet and mud, then take a break to let the dog have a run; being a retriever the scruffy git has a magnetic attraction to mud and water, not to mention badger poo.
But then you do get a reasonable drive home at the end of the day.Only off-putting thing is a couple of folks I know with them, despite the PH cast iron reputation, have had one of those sharp intake of breath bills.
RacerMike said:
Having driven a Land Cruiser back to back with a current Range Rover off road, I'd actually struggle to say the Toyota does either luxury or offroad! I think the only thing it has going for it is the relative robustness of it's mechanical components, providing you don't mind losing half your front bumper on the lightest of touches....oh and a fetish for late 90's DVD player menu systems....
Fair enough. Yes as I said; it's not in the same league luxury wise.. but off road; everything I've seen seems to suggest it's one tough cookie.But what you say suggests that there really is nothing else like a LR / RR...
Guvernator said:
I think it looks pretty decent. Obviously very similar to the rest of the family but really, what did you expect in this "corporate identity" obsessed rut that manufacturers seem to be in? The interior design is a step above anything else out at the moment and indeed it makes a lot of the other recent launches look very dated instantly.
My only qualm is that I don't think they've got the pricing quite right. A decent spec one without going mad is £60k+ which is into RRS territory and a massive jump between the price of a decently specced Evoque. I was interested in one initially for family duties but I'm not paying £60k for a car to drive to the shops in. I've no doubt these will sell like absolute hotcakes, you won't be able to move for them in certain parts of Essex. I think I'll wait and pick one up second hand in a few years.
I'd also agree about comments on the diesel line-up, really why? The rest of the car is bang up to date but a prominently diesel engine line-up?? Are manufacturers simply putting fingers in ears and going La La La at the huge backlash against diesel? They need to get a hybrid version out ASAP or hope that their customers are too stupid to realise that diesel is dead.
Good point about the diesels it seem all manufactures have problems as up to now we all wanted Diesel.My only qualm is that I don't think they've got the pricing quite right. A decent spec one without going mad is £60k+ which is into RRS territory and a massive jump between the price of a decently specced Evoque. I was interested in one initially for family duties but I'm not paying £60k for a car to drive to the shops in. I've no doubt these will sell like absolute hotcakes, you won't be able to move for them in certain parts of Essex. I think I'll wait and pick one up second hand in a few years.
I'd also agree about comments on the diesel line-up, really why? The rest of the car is bang up to date but a prominently diesel engine line-up?? Are manufacturers simply putting fingers in ears and going La La La at the huge backlash against diesel? They need to get a hybrid version out ASAP or hope that their customers are too stupid to realise that diesel is dead.
Some good new petrol engines are needed as well perhaps. Is the 380bhp engine any good?
cayman-black said:
Good point about the diesels it seem all manufactures have problems as up to now we all wanted Diesel.
Some good new petrol engines are needed as well perhaps. Is the 380bhp engine any good?
I'm sure it will be decent in terms of performance but I doubt the fuel economy will be anything to crow about. So diesels are on the way out, petrol's are too thirsty, especially in very heavy SUV's and EV's aren't mature enough. Not sure they've really thought this through, a diesel ban will leave a massive powertrain hole in these kinds of cars.Some good new petrol engines are needed as well perhaps. Is the 380bhp engine any good?
wildcat45 said:
I'm finding the idea of a base spec Velar quite attractive. Small wheels, modest paint colour.
So long as it meets the spec of my DS HSE.
I'm kind of hoping it would be the modern day equivalent of a 1980s RRC.
What would that set me back?
The cheapest spec Velar starts at £45k which actually isn't too bad, however you pay for almost every option so I reckon you are probably looking at £55k to get it to HSE level. I had a play on the configurator and managed to get to £60k without really trying or being too extravagant. The options list\prices are a bit of a piss take, even by modern standards tbh, you can spec a Velar to 6 figures!So long as it meets the spec of my DS HSE.
I'm kind of hoping it would be the modern day equivalent of a 1980s RRC.
What would that set me back?
I really like the look and size of the Velar and, having realised now that the FFRR we currently have is overkill, we may well go down the route of one of these. That said we suffered the usual guinea pig issues of having one of the first L405 FFRR's and I will never make that mistake. We will be waiting for at least a year so the model has time to be finished once the owners discover most of the issues.
I was also interested in the pricing so specced it to the spec of our FFRR. £93k
That's only a few k less than we paid for ours although it was discounted from just over £100k.
It's a costly wee thing!!! Maybe we'll just run ours into the ground and accept it's on the large side after all!!!
I was also interested in the pricing so specced it to the spec of our FFRR. £93k
That's only a few k less than we paid for ours although it was discounted from just over £100k.
It's a costly wee thing!!! Maybe we'll just run ours into the ground and accept it's on the large side after all!!!
Guvernator said:
The cheapest spec Velar starts at £45k which actually isn't too bad, however you pay for almost every option so I reckon you are probably looking at £55k to get it to HSE level. I had a play on the configurator and managed to get to £60k without really trying or being too extravagant. The options list\prices are a bit of a piss take, even by modern standards tbh, you can spec a Velar to 6 figures!
Yes that's a big increase for not much benefit. I specc'd up an F-Pace to a decent standard comparable to my HSE and it was sub 50k.
I've a couple of years to go with my DS all things being equal.
Way may car than I'd ever need or want but nonetheless impressive! Great to see a British company getting stuck and really doing the business. The interior design and presentation is very modern without some of the sombre, clinical looks of the usual suspects.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNgrGrbD7ec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNgrGrbD7ec
I saw the Velar in the Cotswolds yesterday. Same colour as the recent press photos. Colour aside it looked a great car. Looked lower and sleeker than a Sport but very clearer larger than the Motability base Range Rover.
With a proper engine I suspect this is going to be one of the fastest SUVs on the market.
With a proper engine I suspect this is going to be one of the fastest SUVs on the market.
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