RE: Range Rover Velar teased
Discussion
Ares said:
It was the same with the diesel Freelander. Base one was 140bhp?
And it is designed to be an aspirational model. That s
t doesn't come cheap 
Which is why I hardly ever buy new, someone else can take the hit on all those lovely expensive options and I can pick a fully loaded one up at a more sensible price in 2-3 years. It may be aspirational but I'm a cheapskate And it is designed to be an aspirational model. That s
t doesn't come cheap Guvernator said:
Ares said:
It was the same with the diesel Freelander. Base one was 140bhp?
And it is designed to be an aspirational model. That st doesn't come cheap
Which is why I hardly ever buy new, someone else can take the hit on all those lovely expensive options and I can pick a fully loaded one up at a more sensible price in 2-3 years. It may be aspirational but I'm a cheapskate And it is designed to be an aspirational model. That s
t doesn't come cheap My father in law, being typically bloody minded, bought a 3yr old 3-series in 2012 (against my advice). The same time my Dad bought a 9month old one (found by me
). My old man paid £17k, the FIL paid £12k. My FIL has since had to put a new Catalytic Converter on, pay to fix memory seats, had ECU issues and had to pay 50% to have the cylinder's relined. His £5k saving is all but wiped out and he has a car that is worth less, and is 2 years older.Ares said:
And then play the Russian roulette of 'out of warranty repairs'.
My father in law, being typically bloody minded, bought a 3yr old 3-series in 2012 (against my advice). The same time my Dad bought a 9month old one (found by me ). My old man paid £17k, the FIL paid £12k. My FIL has since had to put a new Catalytic Converter on, pay to fix memory seats, had ECU issues and had to pay 50% to have the cylinder's relined. His £5k saving is all but wiped out and he has a car that is worth less, and is 2 years older.
This doesn't apply though as approved used landies all come with two years full warranty and Land Rover assist... so there is no lottery involved in this respect. Most other brands only offer one year on used.My father in law, being typically bloody minded, bought a 3yr old 3-series in 2012 (against my advice). The same time my Dad bought a 9month old one (found by me
). My old man paid £17k, the FIL paid £12k. My FIL has since had to put a new Catalytic Converter on, pay to fix memory seats, had ECU issues and had to pay 50% to have the cylinder's relined. His £5k saving is all but wiped out and he has a car that is worth less, and is 2 years older.LDN said:
Ares said:
And then play the Russian roulette of 'out of warranty repairs'.
My father in law, being typically bloody minded, bought a 3yr old 3-series in 2012 (against my advice). The same time my Dad bought a 9month old one (found by me ). My old man paid £17k, the FIL paid £12k. My FIL has since had to put a new Catalytic Converter on, pay to fix memory seats, had ECU issues and had to pay 50% to have the cylinder's relined. His £5k saving is all but wiped out and he has a car that is worth less, and is 2 years older.
This doesn't apply though as approved used landies all come with two years full warranty and Land Rover assist... so there is no lottery involved in this respect. Most other brands only offer one year on used.My father in law, being typically bloody minded, bought a 3yr old 3-series in 2012 (against my advice). The same time my Dad bought a 9month old one (found by me
). My old man paid £17k, the FIL paid £12k. My FIL has since had to put a new Catalytic Converter on, pay to fix memory seats, had ECU issues and had to pay 50% to have the cylinder's relined. His £5k saving is all but wiped out and he has a car that is worth less, and is 2 years older.Guvernator said:
Ares said:
But the Freelander was c180bhp, this is 240bhp. Thats 33% more powerful with near enough no extra kerb weight.
The standard engine on the Velar is still 180bhp, you have to pay an extra £9k yes NINE grand to step up to the more powerful 240bhp one.Then you'll want to go to the Velar S or Dynamic to get any toys and\or get it looking right. Add in some niceties like sat nav, electric seats and a sunroof and you are over £60k and that's not being extravagant at all. The base price of £45k is VERY misleading if you want it to be a proper Range Rover experience and not just a poverty spec you'll struggle to sell on later.
I know most modern cars are like this now but the Velar literally takes the piss IMO with its "options".
Ares said:
LDN said:
Ares said:
And then play the Russian roulette of 'out of warranty repairs'.
My father in law, being typically bloody minded, bought a 3yr old 3-series in 2012 (against my advice). The same time my Dad bought a 9month old one (found by me ). My old man paid £17k, the FIL paid £12k. My FIL has since had to put a new Catalytic Converter on, pay to fix memory seats, had ECU issues and had to pay 50% to have the cylinder's relined. His £5k saving is all but wiped out and he has a car that is worth less, and is 2 years older.
This doesn't apply though as approved used landies all come with two years full warranty and Land Rover assist... so there is no lottery involved in this respect. Most other brands only offer one year on used.My father in law, being typically bloody minded, bought a 3yr old 3-series in 2012 (against my advice). The same time my Dad bought a 9month old one (found by me
). My old man paid £17k, the FIL paid £12k. My FIL has since had to put a new Catalytic Converter on, pay to fix memory seats, had ECU issues and had to pay 50% to have the cylinder's relined. His £5k saving is all but wiped out and he has a car that is worth less, and is 2 years older.Ares said:
And then play the Russian roulette of 'out of warranty repairs'.
My father in law, being typically bloody minded, bought a 3yr old 3-series in 2012 (against my advice). The same time my Dad bought a 9month old one (found by me ). My old man paid £17k, the FIL paid £12k. My FIL has since had to put a new Catalytic Converter on, pay to fix memory seats, had ECU issues and had to pay 50% to have the cylinder's relined. His £5k saving is all but wiped out and he has a car that is worth less, and is 2 years older.
This might be Land Rover specific "quality" issues, just plain unlucky or totally unskilled at buying a used car (not doing your research, not knowing what to check on the car when viewing).My father in law, being typically bloody minded, bought a 3yr old 3-series in 2012 (against my advice). The same time my Dad bought a 9month old one (found by me
). My old man paid £17k, the FIL paid £12k. My FIL has since had to put a new Catalytic Converter on, pay to fix memory seats, had ECU issues and had to pay 50% to have the cylinder's relined. His £5k saving is all but wiped out and he has a car that is worth less, and is 2 years older.I've only ever had used cars (prefer to leave huge initial depreciation to someone else), the youngest one bought 3 years old, oldest one bought 7 years old and never had to spend anywhere near as much fixing them. In fact almost all expenses were wear and tear.
So you can't just say buying used older car means, as you put it, "roulette of 'out of warranty repairs'".
Bladedancer said:
Ares said:
And then play the Russian roulette of 'out of warranty repairs'.
My father in law, being typically bloody minded, bought a 3yr old 3-series in 2012 (against my advice). The same time my Dad bought a 9month old one (found by me ). My old man paid £17k, the FIL paid £12k. My FIL has since had to put a new Catalytic Converter on, pay to fix memory seats, had ECU issues and had to pay 50% to have the cylinder's relined. His £5k saving is all but wiped out and he has a car that is worth less, and is 2 years older.
This might be Land Rover specific "quality" issues, just plain unlucky or totally unskilled at buying a used car (not doing your research, not knowing what to check on the car when viewing).My father in law, being typically bloody minded, bought a 3yr old 3-series in 2012 (against my advice). The same time my Dad bought a 9month old one (found by me
). My old man paid £17k, the FIL paid £12k. My FIL has since had to put a new Catalytic Converter on, pay to fix memory seats, had ECU issues and had to pay 50% to have the cylinder's relined. His £5k saving is all but wiped out and he has a car that is worth less, and is 2 years older.I've only ever had used cars (prefer to leave huge initial depreciation to someone else), the youngest one bought 3 years old, oldest one bought 7 years old and never had to spend anywhere near as much fixing them. In fact almost all expenses were wear and tear.
So you can't just say buying used older car means, as you put it, "roulette of 'out of warranty repairs'".
Bladedancer said:
So you can't just say buying used older car means, as you put it, "roulette of 'out of warranty repairs'".
You can....as soon as you are out of warranty, you take a gamble - calculated or otherwise. My current car is 3 yrs and 3 months; ergo, 3months out of warranty. New car doesn't arrive till Aug, but still still means a low risk game of Russian roulette! I'm comfortable that it it highly unlikely to let me down....but I've just taken Green Flag Breakdown cover just in case ;-)Ares said:
You can....as soon as you are out of warranty, you take a gamble - calculated or otherwise. My current car is 3 yrs and 3 months; ergo, 3months out of warranty. New car doesn't arrive till Aug, but still still means a low risk game of Russian roulette! I'm comfortable that it it highly unlikely to let me down....but I've just taken Green Flag Breakdown cover just in case ;-)
Gamble? If you do your research and know how to pick a used car the risk is minimal.As I said, I've only ever had used cars. Almost all of my fiends are only buying used cars. And I know one thing - if you choose right and check it thoroughly, the risk is minimal. Worst thing you can do is not do your research and/or believe there are genuine bargains with no strings attached.
As for things breaking down heck, you can buy a NEW car that will spend more time in the dealership being fixed than on the road being useful.
People tend to forget that.
Working in Warwick this week & have seen many of the Velars being hammered around the A46/M40 covered in sticky tape of some sort that I assume measures airflow etc.
Also had one parked at work yesterday whilst the driver attended a speed awareness course!!
Had a good look around the car & have to say it looks a very very nice car.
Not so big & chunky as a Range Rover with the bonnet being quite a bit shorter & a good amount of front & rear leg room.
Looks to me a far better buy & way better looking than the awful new Discovery.
Also had one parked at work yesterday whilst the driver attended a speed awareness course!!
Had a good look around the car & have to say it looks a very very nice car.
Not so big & chunky as a Range Rover with the bonnet being quite a bit shorter & a good amount of front & rear leg room.
Looks to me a far better buy & way better looking than the awful new Discovery.
Bladedancer said:
Ares said:
You can....as soon as you are out of warranty, you take a gamble - calculated or otherwise. My current car is 3 yrs and 3 months; ergo, 3months out of warranty. New car doesn't arrive till Aug, but still still means a low risk game of Russian roulette! I'm comfortable that it it highly unlikely to let me down....but I've just taken Green Flag Breakdown cover just in case ;-)
Gamble? If you do your research and know how to pick a used car the risk is minimal.As I said, I've only ever had used cars. Almost all of my fiends are only buying used cars. And I know one thing - if you choose right and check it thoroughly, the risk is minimal. Worst thing you can do is not do your research and/or believe there are genuine bargains with no strings attached.
As for things breaking down heck, you can buy a NEW car that will spend more time in the dealership being fixed than on the road being useful.
People tend to forget that.
New cars do break down, but a) less likely, and b) that's where the warranty comes in. I had a £2300 bill for a 5yr old ML 10 years ago, and 4 weeks off the road. You don't get with <3yr old cars.
DonkeyApple said:
chris333 said:
Had a sit in one of these at Goodwood today. The cabin tech is truly wonderful, seems one step on from even the best of the Germans.
You're brave. Comments like that will have the VAGitarians down on you like a tonne of bricks. 
I would hope it was at this stage - brand new luxury vehicle and all that. My OH's only slightreservation about the RRS was that the interior was starting to feel a little dated, so the Velar didn't really have to try hard to step up!
Ares said:
Minimised, but not eradicated. Every uber reliable car has horror stories.
New cars do break down, but a) less likely, and b) that's where the warranty comes in. I had a £2300 bill for a 5yr old ML 10 years ago, and 4 weeks off the road. You don't get with <3yr old cars.
Less likely? Total disaster called VAG 2.0 TDI PD? First gen 335i and people replacing HPFPs several times on an effectively new car? 1.4TFSI and chocolate cam chain? Oil drinking 2.0TFSI due to rubbish piston rings? The list goes on.New cars do break down, but a) less likely, and b) that's where the warranty comes in. I had a £2300 bill for a 5yr old ML 10 years ago, and 4 weeks off the road. You don't get with <3yr old cars.
If you happen to buy a car that the manufacturer effectively cocked up, buying new wont save you. Just gives you hope that manufacturer will sort it out under warranty, which they don't always do - ie 2.0 TFSI with VAG "it's just the way it is" and using 1l of oil for 1000 miles is "acceptable".
You don't get it with <3yo cars? What a simplistic way of looking at things. You just look at age? Not at mileage, condition or servicing history, how the car has been used etc?
DPF equipped diesel that was only driven in city traffic will cost you a new DPF.
Buy an ex-lease car that has been doing 30k a year and only services once a year 'cause manufacturer said its all good'. Yeah. And then we hear about cam chains stretching.
1st Gen ML was a dog when it was new. You had centennial merc, which like W210 were build just plain badly. That was MB's cost cutting era which cost them their reputation built by W123 and to certain extent W124 and W201.
I don't know what you've spend it on so it's difficult to comment.
But then again that was the downfall era Merc so you never know, it might have spontaneously decided to implode.
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