RE: Range Rover Velar teased
Discussion
petemurphy said:
thought they were bringing out a new defender in 2018/19 so why the whinging
and i'm speaking as someone who owns a defender
People are upset that Land Rover are abandoning their traditional British agricultural roots which nearly made them bankrupt and actually making cars a lot of people want to buy for lots of money. Happens a lot on PH. and i'm speaking as someone who owns a defender
Guvernator said:
People are upset that Land Rover are abandoning their traditional British agricultural roots which nearly made them bankrupt and actually making cars a lot of people want to buy for lots of money. Happens a lot on PH.
they can buy my defender for lots of money so i can get a velar 
Guvernator said:
People are upset that Land Rover are abandoning their traditional British agricultural roots which nearly made them bankrupt and actually making cars a lot of people want to buy for lots of money. Happens a lot on PH.
Truth be told I just want them to keep making stuff in the UK that make money.. so they can make more stuff in the Uk 
petemurphy said:
popeyewhite said:
No it's a basic utilitarian off-road looking vehicle versus an utterly pointless Chelsea tractor.
why is it pointless do tellGuvernator said:
People are upset that Land Rover are abandoning their traditional British agricultural roots which nearly made them bankrupt and actually making cars a lot of people want to buy for lots of money. Happens a lot on PH.
Yep, nostalgia is never what is used to be on PH.Particularly for those who have never, nor will ever, own the vast majority of the produacts and brands they take aim at.
All very odd.
popeyewhite said:
Because there's already a RR Sport (which is for people who want a tall 4x4 Golf GTi so in itself is pretty pointless), and it will never, ever, be taken off-road or used for any sporting pursuit. A future venture for LR will no doubt be a small wheelbase vehicle with low centre of gravity and a streamlined body. This will be called the Evoque Sprint or somesuch. It will, of course, be a standard car no better than a Mazda. Nevertheless, thousands will be sold.
but thats 60k+ and huge what if i want something cheaper / smaller..round here people have 4x4 not because they go up mountains but as the roads are poor, we use country tracks and park in fields and like a high driving position. I also like to lift my 6 year old up to her seat having a dodgy back rather than down into a sports car.
not all 4x4 people live on kings road. will i use its full 4x4 extent probably not bar once a year getting out a v muddy field car park. will someone in a ferrari drive at 190mph every day no.
anyway i want an evoque sprint now
This has been pootling around the Brighton area in various camouflage kits since before Christmas - presumably having development work carried out at Ricardo. In isolation it looked like a RRS - I guess it will only look smaller once next to it's bigger siblings. Its silhouette looks far less bloated than the new D5 and given that the D5 looks to be solely pitched at family customers (e.g. the big deal being made about multiple charging points etc), I suspect it will take the customer base from the discovery who wanted a lifestyle vehicle and anyone who purchased the D4 for utilitarian purposes will look elsewhere (I know several who had poverty spec D4s as site vehicles and are planning to move towards competitors at the end of contract).
With regards to the Evoque - Ricardo have had a smaller, heavily camouflaged Evoque sized and silhouetted vehicle driving around for the last week or so - I had assumed it was a special edition but I guess it could be the next gen version.
With regards to the Evoque - Ricardo have had a smaller, heavily camouflaged Evoque sized and silhouetted vehicle driving around for the last week or so - I had assumed it was a special edition but I guess it could be the next gen version.
petemurphy said:
thought they were bringing out a new defender in 2018/19 so why the whinging
and i'm speaking as someone who owns a defender
This is the thing... I don't know where folk have latched on to this no replacement Defender thing.and i'm speaking as someone who owns a defender
JLR have been working on a replacement for sometime... I read a piece somewhere last year saying they have to be very careful in getting it right for their customers.
Re 4x4's being pointless, not really thought about it. I don't want one. Whether someone else, wants, needs has one doesn't lead me to wonder why. It's their wedge to do the please with and if a SUV pleases them then crack on. No time to worry about why other people want them.
DonkeyApple said:
As the Evoque is built on the Ford floorpan and this car will use the Jaguar's is it likely that they ultimately won't replace the Evoque when the time comes to renew it?
As you say The under skin architecture of the Evoque is related to the Freelander 2 the Disco Sport, Volvo XC60 and a few Ford models, not all of them SUVs.My guess is that the next generation Evoque will probably have its roots in the Jaguar XE platform. Up scaled, stretched into whatever they want, much like the previous Ford platform.
Fire99 said:
There is (believe it or not) a 3rd row of seats option for the Discovery Sport.
Despite them both looking very similar to each other, the Sport is based on the Freelander platform where as the regular Discovery is based on the Aluminium weight-reduced Range Rover platform.
But despite the 7 seat thing (especially since the 3rd row is an option on the 'Sport'), the yo-yoing between Land Rover and Range Rover models is messy and slightly vain.
I had a very claustrophobic and uncomfortable trip in the very back seats of my DS the other day. It was good to be able to get so many people in the car but as a chubby 5 ft 8 bloke I can't reccomend it. I did have a cup holder which was reassuring.Despite them both looking very similar to each other, the Sport is based on the Freelander platform where as the regular Discovery is based on the Aluminium weight-reduced Range Rover platform.
But despite the 7 seat thing (especially since the 3rd row is an option on the 'Sport'), the yo-yoing between Land Rover and Range Rover models is messy and slightly vain.
I think the Velar is going to great for us. We would have had an Evoque years ago if it hadn't been too small. We got a FL2 which though great was just not quite big enough for our needs.
The DS fits the bill perfectly but if I could get something similar with a posher interior for not much more than a new DS then I'll be happy.
Either that or a used RRS. I'm not proud.
Yep the DS has a crap interior and it has Land rather than Range in the name which isn't great for badge snobs. The Evoque is tiny in the backseats and boot so not suitable for growing families while an RRS is too expensive to lease as they are pricey but depreciate like a stone which is never good for that monthly figure. They are also massive so trying to nab that parking space right in front of the school gates while dropping the kids off and then doing a 3 point turn to go back home (while stopping all the traffic both ways) is just a bit too much hard work.
This new velar will have the right badge, the posher Evoque interior, be big enough for larger kids and yet small enough for the target market to be able to drive it without constantly smacking into things. I mentioned this car to the missus and she absolutely loved the idea of it so I'd say they are definitely going to be on to a winner.
This new velar will have the right badge, the posher Evoque interior, be big enough for larger kids and yet small enough for the target market to be able to drive it without constantly smacking into things. I mentioned this car to the missus and she absolutely loved the idea of it so I'd say they are definitely going to be on to a winner.
DonkeyApple said:
Land Rover was old Britain. s
ttily cobbled together with a that'll do attitude and a belief that no one could possibly want a vehicle made by Johnny Foreigner. Range Rover is new Britain. sttily built, covered in bling and rented to ponces who haven't any actual money so have to get a diesel.
Then colour me ponce ttily cobbled together with a that'll do attitude and a belief that no one could possibly want a vehicle made by Johnny Foreigner. Range Rover is new Britain. sttily built, covered in bling and rented to ponces who haven't any actual money so have to get a diesel. The Range Rover (the latest incarnation of the original or Full Fat Range Rover ) is still to these, admittedly biased eyes,a wonderful car. It's a go anywhere vehicle in every sense of the word and still, to me at least, feels like a very special thing.
If Velars Evoques and the like keep people in work, bring money into the economy and keep JLR building cars I want to own then crack on. Minor note of caution though, up close the D5 failed to impress and seemed too big a departure in some ways from the D4, hopefullly some iteration of new Defender will claw some of that back. They'll still sell D5s by the truckload though.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 22 February 15:41
DonkeyApple said:
Exactly. Why use your factory space to sell 10,000 Defenders a year to Tarquins at small margin when you can rent 100,000 pauper Range Rovers to Chantelle and Tremaine for massive per unit margins?
If you only have space to build one model then it's always going to be the one that sell the most and with the biggest margins.
I'm sure a new Defender will appear in a few years but it won't ever be a Hilux competitor. No part of the JLR global sales network is remotely set up to sell high volume, low margin utility vehicles. And no part of the JLR factory network is set up to build something as durable and robust. It's a great shame but really boils down to some very basic mathematics. Land Rover died when the Range Tover was born and when they decided not to compete against the Japanese, they just took over 50 years of slowly, steadily declining sales and product neglect to do so.
Land Rover was old Britain. sttily cobbled together with a that'll do attitude and a belief that no one could possibly want a vehicle made by Johnny Foreigner. Range Rover is new Britain. sttily built, covered in bling and rented to ponces who haven't any actual money so have to get a diesel.
You ok Hun? If you only have space to build one model then it's always going to be the one that sell the most and with the biggest margins.
I'm sure a new Defender will appear in a few years but it won't ever be a Hilux competitor. No part of the JLR global sales network is remotely set up to sell high volume, low margin utility vehicles. And no part of the JLR factory network is set up to build something as durable and robust. It's a great shame but really boils down to some very basic mathematics. Land Rover died when the Range Tover was born and when they decided not to compete against the Japanese, they just took over 50 years of slowly, steadily declining sales and product neglect to do so.
Land Rover was old Britain. s
ttily cobbled together with a that'll do attitude and a belief that no one could possibly want a vehicle made by Johnny Foreigner. Range Rover is new Britain. sttily built, covered in bling and rented to ponces who haven't any actual money so have to get a diesel. RSK21 said:
DonkeyApple said:
Land Rover was old Britain. sttily cobbled together with a that'll do attitude and a belief that no one could possibly want a vehicle made by Johnny Foreigner. Range Rover is new Britain. sttily built, covered in bling and rented to ponces who haven't any actual money so have to get a diesel.
Then colour me ponce ttily cobbled together with a that'll do attitude and a belief that no one could possibly want a vehicle made by Johnny Foreigner. Range Rover is new Britain. sttily built, covered in bling and rented to ponces who haven't any actual money so have to get a diesel. The Range Rover (the latest incarnation of the original or Full Fat Range Rover ) is still to these, admiteddly biased eyes,a wonderful car. It's a go anywhere vehicle in every sense of the word and still, to me at least, feels like a very special thing.
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