Aston Martin at the 2017 Geneva Motor Show
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So can we safely assume from this no new Vantage at Geneva?:
http://www.astonmartin.com/en/live/news/2017/02/22...
Or could be AM being playing their cards close to their chests?
I can't imagine they would have announced the silly Red Bull parts bin / paint job special a week before showcasing a whole new model...
http://www.astonmartin.com/en/live/news/2017/02/22...
Or could be AM being playing their cards close to their chests?
I can't imagine they would have announced the silly Red Bull parts bin / paint job special a week before showcasing a whole new model...
Edited by AdamV8V on Wednesday 22 February 13:29
Adam,
Unless there's going to be a dramatic reveal at the show, I'm just not sure the new Vantage is nearly ready in any shape or form. This may sound like grandstanding, but at a factory visit late last year Andy Palmer told me 2018 before delivery (not in those exact words but close).
As for the Cobalt Blue DB11, that's possibly the most dreadful colour combination I've seen! Those wheels
!!!!
Unless there's going to be a dramatic reveal at the show, I'm just not sure the new Vantage is nearly ready in any shape or form. This may sound like grandstanding, but at a factory visit late last year Andy Palmer told me 2018 before delivery (not in those exact words but close).
As for the Cobalt Blue DB11, that's possibly the most dreadful colour combination I've seen! Those wheels
!!!!Agreed. Proper GAY is that Blue on Blue DB11.
HBradley said:
Adam,
Unless there's going to be a dramatic reveal at the show, I'm just not sure the new Vantage is nearly ready in any shape or form. This may sound like grandstanding, but at a factory visit late last year Andy Palmer told me 2018 before delivery (not in those exact words but close).
As for the Cobalt Blue DB11, that's possibly the most dreadful colour combination I've seen! Those wheels !!!!
Unless there's going to be a dramatic reveal at the show, I'm just not sure the new Vantage is nearly ready in any shape or form. This may sound like grandstanding, but at a factory visit late last year Andy Palmer told me 2018 before delivery (not in those exact words but close).
As for the Cobalt Blue DB11, that's possibly the most dreadful colour combination I've seen! Those wheels
!!!!I know it's subjective but this latest factory Q car, as is often but not always the case, looks truly dreadful in my eyes .....a real dogs dinner. Having said that, if you view the Q cars that are shown as being a sort of samples board, to demonstrate the type of custom work that can be done, rather than a complete product, they make a little more sense
The newly released Q brochure available online shows an awful lot more that is now a 'standard Q' option, e.g 4 colours of carbon fibre, leather trimmed air vent slats, etc - these are items that have effectively become off the shelf Q parts, a little like Mclaren MSO 'standard' parts
click here, scroll down just a little then click on brochure for more info
http://www.astonmartin.com/q-by-aston-martin
The plan is for Q to form two more distinctive paths, one ('Collection') being of what I term off the shelf Q parts so standardized quicker pricing, much simpler ordering process, etc and the other ('Commission') being full blown Q cars with the Q badge etc.
I'm not sure under this revised system how requests for small areas of customization fit in, such as some items on my car or Adam's kermit car, as they are neither standard off the shelf Q parts nor do we have actual Q (commission) cars
'Commission' covers everything from a car like the Red Bull vantage to a car like CC100
One of the many reasons I was so vociferous about the Red Bull car is that they have re-launched Q and its predecessors so many times now it's embarrassing and it's all about attention to detail, so if they can't get marketing materials right for a semi-production in house Q creation, what does that say about the rest of the process.
Incidentally, I see body coloured bonnet louvres are now finally a Q option in this new brochure - I'm not aware of them ever being done at the factory other than the Spitfire cars
The newly released Q brochure available online shows an awful lot more that is now a 'standard Q' option, e.g 4 colours of carbon fibre, leather trimmed air vent slats, etc - these are items that have effectively become off the shelf Q parts, a little like Mclaren MSO 'standard' parts
click here, scroll down just a little then click on brochure for more info
http://www.astonmartin.com/q-by-aston-martin
The plan is for Q to form two more distinctive paths, one ('Collection') being of what I term off the shelf Q parts so standardized quicker pricing, much simpler ordering process, etc and the other ('Commission') being full blown Q cars with the Q badge etc.
I'm not sure under this revised system how requests for small areas of customization fit in, such as some items on my car or Adam's kermit car, as they are neither standard off the shelf Q parts nor do we have actual Q (commission) cars
'Commission' covers everything from a car like the Red Bull vantage to a car like CC100
One of the many reasons I was so vociferous about the Red Bull car is that they have re-launched Q and its predecessors so many times now it's embarrassing and it's all about attention to detail, so if they can't get marketing materials right for a semi-production in house Q creation, what does that say about the rest of the process.
Incidentally, I see body coloured bonnet louvres are now finally a Q option in this new brochure - I'm not aware of them ever being done at the factory other than the Spitfire cars
On the press release, they were certainly pushing the Q Commission for complete cars. I expect they would love to secure one or two of those orders at Geneva.
There must be a very worthwhile profit involved. Just think of the Vantage GT12 Roadster. Once a customer is hooked at the outset for a unique one-off car, imagine how the price must increase as discussions take place about design options. Probably charge extra too for a guarantee that it will be unique.
With the GT12R, it was a combination of two existing cars, so not too difficult to envisage the completed vehicle. There must be a risk though of creating a dogs dinner, but no doubt the factory help to try to avoid that happening.
AdamV8V said:
Really? 
Just showed my gay friend and colleague (who also happens to drive a V12 Vantage) and he thought it's awful. Maybe he's not a proper gay after all...
I once had a lady in a Corsa pass comment that my V12V was a hairdressers car. Just showed my gay friend and colleague (who also happens to drive a V12 Vantage) and he thought it's awful. Maybe he's not a proper gay after all...
Maybe the V12V is a gay car. I think it'd be a big bear if it was. Not forgetting the big shiny knob...
Jon39 said:
On the press release, they were certainly pushing the Q Commission for complete cars. I expect they would love to secure one or two of those orders at Geneva.
There must be a very worthwhile profit involved. Just think of the Vantage GT12 Roadster. Once a customer is hooked at the outset for a unique one-off car, imagine how the price must increase as discussions take place about design options. Probably charge extra too for a guarantee that it will be unique.
With the GT12R, it was a combination of two existing cars, so not too difficult to envisage the completed vehicle. There must be a risk though of creating a dogs dinner, but no doubt the factory help to try to avoid that happening.
I may be wrong, but I don't think commission cars work like thatThere must be a very worthwhile profit involved. Just think of the Vantage GT12 Roadster. Once a customer is hooked at the outset for a unique one-off car, imagine how the price must increase as discussions take place about design options. Probably charge extra too for a guarantee that it will be unique.
With the GT12R, it was a combination of two existing cars, so not too difficult to envisage the completed vehicle. There must be a risk though of creating a dogs dinner, but no doubt the factory help to try to avoid that happening.
No matter what the factory say, I suspect that cars like CC100 and GT12R are decided upon and designed by the factory then allocated to a grateful customer who has little say over much other than exterior and interior colour. However much work went into GT12R in terms of bespoke panels, that was more on the engineering side. On the visual aspect, it is all 'standard' GT12 but with a roadster hood. Even at the prices charged (say £1M), I'm not sure it's that profitable without taking into account the PR benefit as these owners then let the cars be shown by the factory at all manner of shows and exhibitions as part of the deal
I should add to my last post that the end bit is just guesswork on my part, but if they wont even quote for changing the electric seat buttons I remain sceptical what the response would be if you phone dgaydon with say a £1m budget and asked for a truly bespoke car. Again, only guesswork though
HBradley said:
Adam,
Unless there's going to be a dramatic reveal at the show, I'm just not sure the new Vantage is nearly ready in any shape or form. This may sound like grandstanding, but at a factory visit late last year Andy Palmer told me 2018 before delivery (not in those exact words but close).
As for the Cobalt Blue DB11, that's possibly the most dreadful colour combination I've seen! Those wheels !!!!
Agreed the wheels are pretty awful but at least the car's not back or silver!Unless there's going to be a dramatic reveal at the show, I'm just not sure the new Vantage is nearly ready in any shape or form. This may sound like grandstanding, but at a factory visit late last year Andy Palmer told me 2018 before delivery (not in those exact words but close).
As for the Cobalt Blue DB11, that's possibly the most dreadful colour combination I've seen! Those wheels
!!!!
So I am apparently denied access to the Red Bull thread, think for swearing too much......quite proud of that actually !
Anyway, official price is now out for the Red Bull cars - from £162.5k for a V12 coupe and from £117k for a V8 coupe. No mention of whether these are available as roadsters
Order window closes 14th March, so mid Geneva show
As this is a Q car, they effectively have no choice but to charge a big premium as otherwise they devalue Q commission cars, hence my suggestion on the other thread it would be over £160k for the V12.
If, as I think should have been the case, it had not been launched as a Q car, they wouldn't need to charge the premium they have but they can't have it both ways so they are where they are. I'd be staggered if they sell more than at most, a tiny handful
They may not care - this may be more about the Q re-launch that they have now officially announced is part of what they are doing at Geneva, than it is about selling many/any of this edition.
Anyway, official price is now out for the Red Bull cars - from £162.5k for a V12 coupe and from £117k for a V8 coupe. No mention of whether these are available as roadsters
Order window closes 14th March, so mid Geneva show
As this is a Q car, they effectively have no choice but to charge a big premium as otherwise they devalue Q commission cars, hence my suggestion on the other thread it would be over £160k for the V12.
If, as I think should have been the case, it had not been launched as a Q car, they wouldn't need to charge the premium they have but they can't have it both ways so they are where they are. I'd be staggered if they sell more than at most, a tiny handful
They may not care - this may be more about the Q re-launch that they have now officially announced is part of what they are doing at Geneva, than it is about selling many/any of this edition.
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