So I did buy some LingLong Ditchfinders
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280E said:
As with most discussions on tyres, this thread is just going round in circles 
I see what you did there 
I stand by the point though that there is a legitimate market for non-designer branded tyres at keen prices, and using them can be a more responsible choice than nursing the last bit of legal life out of premium tyres for the sake of keeping up appearances to satisfy the brand conscious.
Certain people would interpret that point to suit their argument that all cheaper tyres are poor performers which IMO is a very blinkered viewpoint, especially when some of them are happy to think that every other aspect of their car's safety is absolutely as good as it can possibly be just because it came out of the factory that way. They will religiously put the same brand of tyre back on the car because that is their perception of the extent of their responsibility, yet probably give no thought at all to the deterioration of other parts of the car such as suspension bushes, dampers etc. and happily let them get to near end-of-life or even failure before replacing them rather than being pro-active in the interests of maintaining 'best possible' safety.
I'm not advocating that everyone throws away their branded tyres and replace them with something they've never heard of, but the idea that someone who decides that prudently replacing their tyres with something that is within their budget should be looked down upon by these holier-than-thou individuals is frankly disgraceful.
Fortunately, such disapproving people don't get to decide what other people can and cannot do.
Edited by r11co on Thursday 9th March 18:00
r11co said:
I stand by the point though that there is a legitimate market for non-designer branded tyres at keen prices
I agree.r11co said:
and using them can be a more responsible choice than nursing the last bit of legal life out of premium tyres for the sake of keeping up appearances to satisfy the brand conscious.
I don't think anybody has ever suggested such a thing.r11co said:
Certain people in here have interpreted that point to suit their argument that all cheaper tyres are poor performers
Again, nobody's ever suggested such a thing.Can we agree that many "cheaper tyres" are, though? And at the very, very cheapest end of the market, it's an absolute lucky dip, with high odds of getting rubbish?
r11co said:
but the idea that someone who decides that prudently replacing their tyres with something that is within their budget should be looked down upon is disgraceful.
Define "within their budget".It's been shown - repeatedly - that the marginal cost between the very cheapest and respectable mid-range is minimal, especially when amortised over the life of the tyre. And that's before we even get near the undeniable fact that it's a lot cheaper to buy decent tyres in sensible sizes than cheap tyres in large-rim-low-profile sizes, even within the ranges of OEM sizes on perfectly prosaic car models. So, if your budget is that restricted, it makes more sense not to drive something on big-diameter alloys, right?
r11co said:
TooMany2cvs said:
r11co said:
and using them can be a more responsible choice than nursing the last bit of legal life out of premium tyres for the sake of keeping up appearances to satisfy the brand conscious.
Again, nobody's ever suggested such a thing.
TooMany2cvs said:
r11co said:
TooMany2cvs said:
r11co said:
and using them can be a more responsible choice than nursing the last bit of legal life out of premium tyres for the sake of keeping up appearances to satisfy the brand conscious.
Again, nobody's ever suggested such a thing.
r11co said:
They will religiously put the same brand of tyre back on the car because that is their perception of the extent of their responsibility, yet probably give no thought at all to the deterioration of other parts of the car such as suspension bushes, dampers etc. and happily let them get to near end-of-life or even failure before replacing them rather than being pro-active in the interests of maintaining 'best possible' safety.
Most of this post is fluff and nonsense but this bit really stood out for me. All of it prequalified with a big fat 'probably'.r11co said:
RBH58 said:
Cheap tyres for cheap lives
r11co said:
and using them can be a more responsible choice than nursing the last bit of legal life out of premium tyres for the sake of keeping up appearances to satisfy the brand conscious.
...do you?BTW, would you care to address the other points in my post ^ up there?
TooMany2cvs said:
r11co said:
RBH58 said:
Cheap tyres for cheap lives
r11co said:
and using them can be a more responsible choice than nursing the last bit of legal life out of premium tyres for the sake of keeping up appearances to satisfy the brand conscious.
...do you?TooMany2cvs said:
would you care to address the other points in my post ^ up there?
Why do that when I could just dismiss it as "fluff and nonsense"?
If you are going to f
k about with people's quotes to twist the discussion don't expect any more responses.Edited by r11co on Thursday 9th March 18:59
r11co said:
You chose to edit your response to refer back to a different quote.
No, I accidentally re-inserted the wrong bit of the post that you'd deleted. My apologies. However, it seems appropriate to point out that that mis-quote was BEFORE you brought that quote up in reply.Anyway, it should have been...
r11co said:
Certain people in here have interpreted that point to suit their argument that all cheaper tyres are poor performers
And, yes, that quote does appear to support that assertion. Way back at the start of the thread, though, where that quote came from - it only received only one comment, and that was not supportive of it. Everybody else ignored it as the vacuous bks it is.If you were to ask my own view of it, I'd simply refer you back to my comments about that end of the market being a lucky dip with high odds of getting rubbish, and the very low price difference to mid-range.
In the meantime, therefore, can we all agree that there is absolutely nothing in the thread to support that other claim of yours about the "brand conscious" and "the last bit of legal life"?
alex290568 said:
I know this goes against the grain of Pisonheads but it's what I've done. Someone not wanting to buy my car because it has budget tyres on can jog on and buy someone elses car. Mine has had a fully synthetic 5w 40 fully synthetic oil change every 10,000 miles, gearbox oil, from suspension refresh and drives like new. Oh but the oil wasn't Mobil 1 either, so that
L be another reason to steer clear.........
Yeah, I think you have to be a bit open-minded about stuff like what brand tyres are on the car. For example, if a car has just had a fresh MOT put on it, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that it may have needed a couple of tyres to get it through the test - and if this is the case why would the vendor fork out for the very best money can buy if they're not actually going to be driving the car because it's up for sale? Surely it's up to the new owner to decide what to spend on tyres? L be another reason to steer clear.........
shed driver said:
My sub £500 shed is due an MOT - and will need 4 tyres. LingLongs or something with a known name? The car will either pass or be scrapped. No major problems anticipated, but it's not worth repairing.
Ideas?
If the tyres are going to fail, then they're already illegal to be driving on...Ideas?
So chuck it in for the test.
If it fails just on the tyres, then have a look at what's available. (What size?)
If it fails on more, then the cost of four tyres is part of your decision.
shed driver said:
My sub £500 shed is due an MOT - and will need 4 tyres. LingLongs or something with a known name? The car will either pass or be scrapped. No major problems anticipated, but it's not worth repairing.
Ideas?
SD.
I'd go for a mid-range tyre personally. Falken, Yokohama etc.Ideas?
SD.
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