So I did buy some LingLong Ditchfinders

[HustleRussell]

TooMany2cvs said:

"Has lots of tread, doesn't go flat overnight."

"Much better in comparison to me previous set of tyres" (mismatched budgets, 6+ years old with <2mm tread, inflated to 38,29,32 &18psi respectively)

[SWoll]

Too many people listen to the bloke down the pub or some random who gives them the kind of advice you keep reading on this thread. Because they don't want to spend the money it just serves as confirmation bias and away they go.

[delboy735]

I'd be willing to put money on more cars on "known brand" tyres end up in ditches than "ditchfinders" because of all the idiots who think the branded tyre is so much better. They then think they are invincible because they can " stop very quickly" in the rain, and go round corners so much quicker.........and end up running out of talent.

[Vantagemech]

delboy735 said:

I'd be willing to put money on more cars on "known brand" tyres end up in ditches than "ditchfinders" because of all the idiots who think the branded tyre is so much better. They then think they are invincible because they can " stop very quickly" in the rain, and go round corners so much quicker.........and end up running out of talent.

Talent exceeding grip is not uncommon nor restricted to cheap tyres and/or bad driving. However its the crossover point where with ditchfinders they go from grip to no grip. Many more expensive tyres will slide but give feedback, others you wake up forwards / backwards in the hedge.

[M-SportMatt]

delboy735 said:

because of all the idiots who think the branded tyre is so much better. .

Interesting.....are you suggesting they aren't better and all the published tests and stats ever are all wrong?

[Herbs]

delboy735 said:

I'd be willing to put money on more cars on "known brand" tyres end up in ditches than "ditchfinders" because of all the idiots who think the branded tyre is so much better. They then think they are invincible because they can " stop very quickly" in the rain, and go round corners so much quicker.........and end up running out of talent.

What about all the idiots that think "tyres are tyres" and all the same and end up in ditches? Very easy to play that game.

In my time, i've had 3 distinct experiences with cheap tyres (2 Asian), my first bike was a scrambler with wholly inappropriate tyres and was a death trap in the rain (helped me learn a lot about driving to conditions and grip. The most obvious example was an imported twin turbo Supra with plenty of tread, however, when pulling out of a junction, I could on demand travel with the back end out at an angle of 45 degrees with no more than 2/3rds throttle all very controllable and great fun until the car spat me 180 degrees going under the speed limit in a 40mph with a camber change on a slight left hand bend. Ended up in the central reservation and just misisng the barrier facing oncoming traffic. Scared the st out of me. Immediately changed them to Yokohama AVS Sport and it utterly transformed the car - couldn't even get the traction control light to come on when provoked. The difference was night and day and the rear never stepped out again.

Please carry on believing all tyres are equal and it's some sort of profiteering scam by the big boys and i'll carry on buying decent rubber as although the chances are my daughter and myself would be absolutely fine with cheap tyres - it's not a risk i'm willing to take for the sake of a few hundred pound every couple of years.

Edited by Herbs on Friday 24th March 11:55

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Herbs said:

<snipuntil the car spat me 180 degrees going under the speed limit in a 40mph with a camber change on a slight left hand bend. Ended up in the central reservation and just misisng the barrier facing oncoming traffic. <snip>

Based on what you are saying, you were driving completely normally under circumstances that are normal, routine, everyday conditions. Let's say for the sake of argument that you are at least a normal "average" driver.

Given the fact that many people will choose tyres based on cost why do you think the above situation doesn't happen more often?

[Herbs]

Countdown said:

Herbs said:

<snipuntil the car spat me 180 degrees going under the speed limit in a 40mph with a camber change on a slight left hand bend. Ended up in the central reservation and just misisng the barrier facing oncoming traffic. <snip>

Based on what you are saying, you were driving completely normally under circumstances that are normal, routine, everyday conditions. Let's say for the sake of argument that you are at least a normal "average" driver.

Given the fact that many people will choose tyres based on cost why do you think the above situation doesn't happen more often?

Yes , was under the limit and it was soaking wet and the tyres were a terrible make that I hadn't heard of. How do you know it doesn't happen regularly? Does every minor accident or loss of grip make national news?

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Herbs said:

Yes , was under the limit and it was soaking wet and the tyres were a terrible make that I hadn't heard of. How do you know it doesn't happen regularly? Does every minor accident or loss of grip make national news?

If there was any correlation between accidents and quality of tyres I would expect it to have been reported.

[Herbs]

Countdown said:

Herbs said:

Yes , was under the limit and it was soaking wet and the tyres were a terrible make that I hadn't heard of. How do you know it doesn't happen regularly? Does every minor accident or loss of grip make national news?

If there was any correlation between accidents and quality of tyres I would expect it to have been reported.

Really???

How when there are so many other factors involved? I'm not getting into a pointless debate over tyres, life is too short for that.

I have my opinion and i'm happy with it based on my own experiences rather than magazine reviews or reverse snobbery and you have yours which you are happy with.

[Henners]

When there are so many other factors involved you seem keen to blame the tyres (unless you've stopped driving in the rain too? ).

[Herbs]

Henners said:

When there are so many other factors involved you seem keen to blame the tyres (unless you've stopped driving in the rain too? ).

Did you even read my original post - this was 10 years ago and I had the car for 2 years after this happened. I think i'm old enough to know the difference between a car letting go and driver error.

Perhaps you should work in Formula One - think of all the time you could save a team by letting them know soft compound tyres are just as effective in the rain as full wets.

[Henners]

Herbs said:

Henners said:

When there are so many other factors involved you seem keen to blame the tyres (unless you've stopped driving in the rain too? ).

Did you even read my original post - this was 10 years ago and I had the car for 2 years after this happened. I think i'm old enough to know the difference between a car letting go and driver error.

Perhaps you should work in Formula One - think of all the time you could save a team by letting them know soft compound tyres are just as effective in the rain as full wets.

So we're still 50/50 on the tyres?



We have cheap tyres on the car used for shopping and local trips, so far so good, even in the rain - although I tend to drive to the conditions, reigning in those mighty 74 horses.


#DrivingGod

[Herbs]

Henners said:

Herbs said:

Henners said:

When there are so many other factors involved you seem keen to blame the tyres (unless you've stopped driving in the rain too? ).

Did you even read my original post - this was 10 years ago and I had the car for 2 years after this happened. I think i'm old enough to know the difference between a car letting go and driver error.

Perhaps you should work in Formula One - think of all the time you could save a team by letting them know soft compound tyres are just as effective in the rain as full wets.

So we're still 50/50 on the tyres?

Thinking of getting some cross-plys, driving at 120mph with the traction control off and the car in race mode on Scottish Highlands in a monsoon and testing the theory out - hopefully i'll report back and let you know how I got on

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Herbs said:

Really???

How when there are so many other factors involved? I'm not getting into a pointless debate over tyres, life is too short for that.

I have my opinion and i'm happy with it based on my own experiences rather than magazine reviews or reverse snobbery and you have yours which you are happy with.

See the bit n bold - that's my point exactly. there are so many factors involved that it's hard for anybody to prove/disprove that there's a correlation between "cheaper tyres" and "more accidents". A 10mph speed differential will wipe out pretty much the whole of the difference in braking distance between the top performer and the worst performer. Some PH'ers probably do demand more from their tyres than Joe Public. (That might be why they are spinning cars on cheaper tyres). However this isn't the case for most people - so "you" should get the tyres that meet the your performance requirements.

[TooMany2cvs]

Herbs said:

Thinking of getting some cross-plys, driving at 120mph with the traction control off and the car in race mode on Scottish Highlands in a monsoon and testing the theory out - hopefully i'll report back and let you know how I got on

Arrange a live feed from the dashcam, please?

[Herbs]

TooMany2cvs said:

Herbs said:

Thinking of getting some cross-plys, driving at 120mph with the traction control off and the car in race mode on Scottish Highlands in a monsoon and testing the theory out - hopefully i'll report back and let you know how I got on

Arrange a live feed from the dashcam, please?

And a GPS so you can find my body

[TooMany2cvs]

Herbs said:

And a GPS so you can find my body

Meh.

[Herbs]

Countdown said:

Herbs said:

Really???

How when there are so many other factors involved? I'm not getting into a pointless debate over tyres, life is too short for that.

I have my opinion and i'm happy with it based on my own experiences rather than magazine reviews or reverse snobbery and you have yours which you are happy with.

See the bit n bold - that's my point exactly. there are so many factors involved that it's hard for anybody to prove/disprove that there's a correlation between "cheaper tyres" and "more accidents". A 10mph speed differential will wipe out pretty much the whole of the difference in braking distance between the top performer and the worst performer. Some PH'ers probably do demand more from their tyres than Joe Public. (That might be why they are spinning cars on cheaper tyres). However this isn't the case for most people - so "you" should get the tyres that meet the your performance requirements.

I see where you are coming from but your point doesn't stack up. Everything else being equal a top performing tyre will be better than a cheap ultra budget tyre (the mid ground is a good compromise and I think this is where the majority of people are at but this isn't being debated here), a 10mph speed differential the other direction will only exacerbate the difference. In those 1 in 500 scenarios (which everybody has where a car pulls out in front of you in poor conditions for example) then in my mind, an extra £50 per corner is worth it.

Also, after seeing how the majority of Joe Public drive on A roads and motorways then they probably need all the help they can get!

[HustleRussell]

Herbs said:

The most obvious example was an imported twin turbo Supra with plenty of tread, however, when pulling out of a junction, I could on demand travel with the back end out at an angle of 45 degrees with no more than 2/3rds throttle all very controllable and great fun until the car spat me 180 degrees going under the speed limit in a 40mph with a camber change on a slight left hand bend. Ended up in the central reservation and just misisng the barrier facing oncoming traffic. Scared the st out of me.

Herbs said:

I think i'm old enough to know the difference between a car letting go and driver error.

I like that.

Self professed drift king comes a cropper and accidently spins 180 because of the weather conditions, available power, road camber, tyres. Driver error not a factor you understand- 'I was below the speed limit you see'. It was the 'car letting go'.

I will have to remember that one