So I did buy some LingLong Ditchfinders

[r11co]

Countdown said:

M-SportMatt said:

For the sake of saving a couple of hundred quid, not a chance i fancy taking, and IMO says a fair bit about those that do

You could achieve much the same outcome by driving a few mph slower.

Or fitting better brakes.

Edited by r11co on Friday 24th March 20:44

[HustleRussell]

r11co said:

Countdown said:

M-SportMatt said:

For the sake of saving a couple of hundred quid, not a chance i fancy taking, and IMO says a fair bit about those that do

You could achieve much the same outcome by driving a few mph slower.

Or fitting better brakes

[Mr2Mike]

Countdown said:

Based on what you are saying, you were driving completely normally under circumstances that are normal, routine, everyday conditions. Let's say for the sake of argument that you are at least a normal "average" driver.

Given the fact that many people will choose tyres based on cost why do you think the above situation doesn't happen more often?

Pretty obvious I'd have thought, especially to someone who'd like to believe they are a car enthusiast.

Some hints:

Consider the number of FWD cars with mediocre amounts of power on the road compared to powerful RWD cars.
Consider the differences in vehicle response when a FWD loses traction compared to a RWD car.
What sort of car do the majority of cheapskates with negligible car knowledge or driving ability typically drive?

Countdown said:

es that's correct. They happen over the speed of zero mph. Hope that helps.

Having to limit your maximum speed to zero to ensure st tyres don't bite you in the ass is a inconvenient at best.

Edited by Mr2Mike on Saturday 25th March 09:05

[Countdown]

Mr2Mike said:

Countdown said:

Based on what you are saying, you were driving completely normally under circumstances that are normal, routine, everyday conditions. Let's say for the sake of argument that you are at least a normal "average" driver.

Given the fact that many people will choose tyres based on cost why do you think the above situation doesn't happen more often?

Pretty obvious I'd have thought, especially to someone who'd like to believe they are a car enthusiast.

Some hints:

Consider the number of FWD cars with mediocre amounts of power on the road compared to powerful RWD cars.
Consider the differences in vehicle response when a FWD loses traction compared to a RWD car.
What sort of car do the majority of cheapskates with negligible car knowledge or driving ability typically drive?

Thanks for the hints, although if I'm honest it's still not clear what you are suggesting.

The fact there are more FWD/mediocre power cars on the road shouldn't affect accident statistics as these will be based on percentages.{Interesting question - does a FWD car with mediocre power need the same quality of tyres as a RWD car with much greater power? I'd argue no because the demands on the tyres won't be as high).

IME FWD cars will understeer when they lose traction so they are (again, IME) safer and easier to recover. Are you therefore suggesting that RWD cars are inherently more dangerous? In which case maybe everybody absolutely MUST drive a FWD car because you never know when you might lose traction.

IME people with negligible car knowledge or driving ability tend to drive Audis or BMW 3 series.Do they have a higher or lower rate of accidents than the median?

[EazyDuz]

HustleRussell said:

"Much better in comparison to me previous set of tyres" (mismatched budgets, 6+ years old with <2mm tread, inflated to 38,29,32 &18psi respectively)

And for comparison, some reviews of mid/high end tyres:

'Can definitely tell the difference on my 30mph stop/start city commute'
'Can now take roundabouts at 30 and feel safe'
'The brand name on the tyre wall looks cool'
'I like the look of the tread pattern on these'
'My 1.2 Hyundai i20 handles like a race car now'

Just trying to justify their purchase even when in reality they will feel zero difference on a daily driver unless they regularly break speed limits

[delboy735]

buggalugs said:

delboy735 said:

I'd be willing to put money on more cars on "known brand" tyres end up in ditches than "ditchfinders" because of all the idiots who think the branded tyre is so much better. They then think they are invincible because they can " stop very quickly" in the rain, and go round corners so much quicker.........and end up running out of talent.

Yeah I'd better go and fit some st tyres, I'll drive so much safer then.

Do you really push it that hard on public roads ??? Then you are the liability....not the tyres.

[talksthetorque]

KimJongHealthy said:

EazyDuz said:

Just trying to justify their purchase even when in reality they will feel zero difference on a daily driver unless they regularly break speed limits

Or simply try to join the busy road and find your driven wheels spinning, quite common occurrence when driving on crap tyres in a country with 100+ rainy days each year..

Poor throttle control has little to do with tyres

[HustleRussell]

EazyDuz said:

HustleRussell said:

"Much better in comparison to me previous set of tyres" (mismatched budgets, 6+ years old with <2mm tread, inflated to 38,29,32 &18psi respectively)

And for comparison, some reviews of mid/high end tyres:

'Can definitely tell the difference on my 30mph stop/start city commute'
'Can now take roundabouts at 30 and feel safe'
'The brand name on the tyre wall looks cool'
'I like the look of the tread pattern on these'
'My 1.2 Hyundai i20 handles like a race car now'

Just trying to justify their purchase even when in reality they will feel zero difference on a daily driver unless they regularly break speed limits

It never does pay to read reviews by morons.

Out of curiosity, do you really believe that it's not possible to tell a good tyre from a bad tyre on a daily driver without regularly breaking speed limits?

[SWoll]

talksthetorque said:

KimJongHealthy said:

EazyDuz said:

Just trying to justify their purchase even when in reality they will feel zero difference on a daily driver unless they regularly break speed limits

Or simply try to join the busy road and find your driven wheels spinning, quite common occurrence when driving on crap tyres in a country with 100+ rainy days each year..

Poor throttle control has little to do with tyres

bks.

As per earlier in the thread, I bought a snotter a few years back for a long commute and it came fitted with lightly used budgets. As soon as it rained joining a roundabout etc. from standstill just caused wheelspin and hop every time. Changed them to a decent mid range tyre and never suffered with the issue again. This was totally normal everyday driving in a FWD car with about 120BHP.

[talksthetorque]

SWoll said:

talksthetorque said:

KimJongHealthy said:

EazyDuz said:

Just trying to justify their purchase even when in reality they will feel zero difference on a daily driver unless they regularly break speed limits

Or simply try to join the busy road and find your driven wheels spinning, quite common occurrence when driving on crap tyres in a country with 100+ rainy days each year..

Poor throttle control has little to do with tyres

bks.

As per earlier in the thread, I bought a snotter a few years back for a long commute and it came fitted with lightly used budgets. As soon as it rained joining a roundabout etc. from standstill just caused wheelspin and hop every time. Changed them to a decent mid range tyre and never suffered with the issue again. This was totally normal everyday driving in a FWD car with about 120BHP.

Or there was mud/cow poo/diesel on the road that got washed away with the rain by the time you fitted new tyres.

[cay]

Just cannot believe the BS in this thread.

Cheap tyres are OK as I will drive slower, not accelerate quickly etc.

It's simple, 30mph speed limit, wet road, child runs out from behind car. Decent tyres stop, 30 quid budgets don't.

Nothing to do with driver, car, anticipation. Are you telling me budget tyre owners are driving 20 everywhere ?

Can't believe there isn't a minimum standard, tread depth is measured but is there a minimum performance standard ?

[Frankthered]

cay said:

It's simple, 30mph speed limit, wet road, child runs out from behind car. Decent tyres stop, 30 quid budgets don't.

It's not simple though, is it. The 30 quid budgets do stop, don't they, just not as quickly.

cay said:

Nothing to do with driver, car, anticipation.

It has everything to do with all of these things, or do you think that the child steps out into the road at exactly the spot where the tyres make a difference every time? The most critical factor is the speed of the vehicle and ...

cay said:

Are you telling me budget tyre owners are driving 20 everywhere ?

No, but is it beyond the wit of man to think that maybe budget tyre driver could be travelling at 28 mph, rather than confident premium tyre driver who might be travelling at 33 mph? Due to the relationship between acceleration, velocity and distance travelled, this relatively small difference may result in a similar stopping distance

cay said:

Can't believe there isn't a minimum standard, tread depth is measured but is there a minimum performance standard ?

Pretty sure there is. We certainly get grip ratings these days though how reliable they are is another matter.

[Trabi601]

I can fairly confidently say that the budget tyre driver is probably doing 40mph *everywhere* in his navy blue Zafira with a mix and match selection of different budget brands and 1 plastic wheel cover missing.

[Sump]

talksthetorque said:

KimJongHealthy said:

EazyDuz said:

Just trying to justify their purchase even when in reality they will feel zero difference on a daily driver unless they regularly break speed limits

Or simply try to join the busy road and find your driven wheels spinning, quite common occurrence when driving on crap tyres in a country with 100+ rainy days each year..

Poor throttle control has little to do with tyres

I'd like to see your throttle control in a car with 400 +

[talksthetorque]

Sump said:

I'd like to see your throttle control in a car with 400 +

400 what? NM? Lb ft? Kg?
You can't mean BHP as that's probably going to be in the top half of the rev range and if you're using that much coming out of a junction it would indicate you

A) have poor throttle control.
Or
B) You're deliberately trying to drift it out of the junction ( not judging you if that's your aim )

[Countdown]

Sump said:

talksthetorque said:

KimJongHealthy said:

EazyDuz said:

Just trying to justify their purchase even when in reality they will feel zero difference on a daily driver unless they regularly break speed limits

Or simply try to join the busy road and find your driven wheels spinning, quite common occurrence when driving on crap tyres in a country with 100+ rainy days each year..

Poor throttle control has little to do with tyres

I'd like to see your throttle control in a car with 400 +

Most cars don't have 400bhp (or Lb/ft or Nm).

If a person is "spinning wheels" accidentally on a regular basis they need to have their driving checked..

[Countdown]

talksthetorque said:

.
Or
B) You're deliberately trying to drift it out of the junction ( not judging you if that's your aim )

When the tyre evangelists are preaching on safety grounds it does seem a bit hypocritical to be doing stuff like drifting etc on public roads, in my view.

[otolith]

Having more grip at the driven wheels in the damp is useful, though, if you want to exit a junction smartly. Throttle control is all well and good, but it won't give you more traction than you have. My E320CDI was severely traction limited in those situations with the ditchfinders it came with, and with the new tyres I fitted, it isn't.

[EazyDuz]

Countdown said:

Most cars don't have 400bhp (or Lb/ft or Nm).

If a person is "spinning wheels" accidentally on a regular basis they need to have their driving checked..

This. Nothing more than a heavy foot. I'd love to see some of these posters combat a bit of snow and ice. Probably be like the simpleton you often see flooring it and moving an inch with tyres spinning like mad.

[xjay1337]

My Scirocco has Pilot Sport 4 and Yoko AD08R (front and rear respectively). It grips excellently in all conditions. 235/40/18 and 245/40/18 along with a brace of chassis mod.

I've just taken delivery of a Fiesta ST Line thing which has Conti Sport Contact 5
Even with these, reportedly excellent, CSC5 tyres it feels very skittish especially over bumpy roads when pushed. Even on normal roundabouts in the wet you get the feeling it doesn't have as much grip. I guess due to smaller (205/40/16 I think) tyres and standard soft-ish suspension.

If it was on budgets in the wet it would be horrific.