So I did buy some LingLong Ditchfinders

[HustleRussell]

KimJongHealthy said:

TimmyMallett said:

HustleRussell said:

Jefferson Steelflex said:

I have a slight confession...I have sinned...

I took the economical option and just bought the Black Circles value choice - although in my defence I did go up 3 price points and picked the recommended one with C ratings all over

I think your biggest sin is paying any attention whatsoever to tyre label ratings

I'm a bit late to the party on this, but why should i ignore this set of results, that is, on the surface of it, to the average consumer, an industry independent testing set of scores?

Is there any quantifiable evidence to suggest the measurements are not to be trusted and used as a comparison?

Very funny but to answer the question, in short;

-the scope of the three tests is very limited and cannot fully assess the performance of the tyres
-the methodology is flawed

Furthermore the tests are essentially self-certified by the tyre manufacturer, they are not independent and therefore the whole system is open to abuse.

I'm not going to say that manufacturers fudge the results because your next move is to ask me for proof and I have none, but the two points I raised above are valid and personally I trust my own experience and more thorough tyre tests carried out independently over the label.

[M-SportMatt]

HustleRussell said:

I trust my own experience and more thorough tyre tests carried out independently over the label.

So you are qualified to test tyres?

Please link to source of independant tests showing budget ling longs are as good as premium branded

Thanks

[HustleRussell]

M-SportMatt said:

HustleRussell said:

I trust my own experience and more thorough tyre tests carried out independently over the label.

So you are qualified to test tyres?

Please link to source of independant tests showing budget ling longs are as good as premium branded

Thanks

What on earth are you talking about? Where did I say that? I am (tending to) agree with you in general! Jeez...

[SWoll]

HustleRussell said:

M-SportMatt said:

HustleRussell said:

I trust my own experience and more thorough tyre tests carried out independently over the label.

So you are qualified to test tyres?

Please link to source of independant tests showing budget ling longs are as good as premium branded

Thanks

What on earth are you talking about? Where did I say that? I am (tending to) agree with you in general! Jeez...

I did wonder.

Wind your neck in Matt, he's one of ours.

[EazyDuz]

As stated a few pages back, the tests are about as useful as a chocolate teapot.
The drivers ability is the variable which dictates the ditchfinding, not the tyres. Rubber is rubber, a massive amount of weight forcing that rubber into tarmac, they all have adequate grip

[Trabi601]

HustleRussell said:

Very funny but to answer the question, in short;

-the scope of the three tests is very limited and cannot fully assess the performance of the tyres
-the methodology is flawed

Furthermore the tests are essentially self-certified by the tyre manufacturer, they are not independent and therefore the whole system is open to abuse.

I'm not going to say that manufacturers fudge the results because your next move is to ask me for proof and I have none, but the two points I raised above are valid and personally I trust my own experience and more thorough tyre tests carried out independently over the label.

As I've posted before, if you go to Ali Express, not only can you buy tyres with any brand name you choose to put on them, but you can also buy rolls of tyre test stickers, made up with any result you'd like. Nobody is ever going to test a made up brand on a bulk Chinese tyre, so you could get away with doing that for years before being caught out.

[M-SportMatt]

SWoll said:

I did wonder.

Wind your neck in Matt, he's one of ours.

Misread where he was coming from. Apologies dude

[M-SportMatt]

EazyDuz said:

As stated a few pages back, the tests are about as useful as a chocolate teapot.
The drivers ability is the variable which dictates the ditchfinding, not the tyres. Rubber is rubber, a massive amount of weight forcing that rubber into tarmac, they all have adequate grip

The more you type the stupider you get

[delboy735]

Countdown said:

SWoll said:

Spend a few quid more and buy a set of decent mid-range tyres that offer a wider envelope should the worst happen and your view of suitability be proven wrong .

Why mid-range? That sounds like a compromise - why not the aboslute bestest tyres out there just in case the worst happens?

If you go for a walk somewhere, do you wear the best water/wind proof clothing in case the worst happens ??? I don't think so.

[SWoll]

delboy735 said:

Countdown said:

SWoll said:

Spend a few quid more and buy a set of decent mid-range tyres that offer a wider envelope should the worst happen and your view of suitability be proven wrong .

Why mid-range? That sounds like a compromise - why not the aboslute bestest tyres out there just in case the worst happens?

If you go for a walk somewhere, do you wear the best water/wind proof clothing in case the worst happens ??? I don't think so.

If you can afford to you would, but if not you'd be far better served paying a bit more for something that performs almost as well and keeps you dry and warm than risking a lucky dip amusement park poncho in order to save a couple of quid.

[matthias73]

delboy735 said:

If you go for a walk somewhere, do you wear the best water/wind proof clothing in case the worst happens ??? I don't think so.

If I slip over on a walk the NHS pays for the repairs, if I slide my car into a hedge I have to pay insurance excess

[anonymous-user]

Well bitten the bullet and bought some Firestones , 2 for 106 quid with a £20 Argos voucher so 43 a tyre. Will see how they handle.

[Mr2Mike]

M-SportMatt said:

The more you type the stupider you get

I didn't think it was possible in this case but you seem to be correct.

[Countdown]

delboy735 said:

Countdown said:

SWoll said:

Spend a few quid more and buy a set of decent mid-range tyres that offer a wider envelope should the worst happen and your view of suitability be proven wrong .

Why mid-range? That sounds like a compromise - why not the aboslute bestest tyres out there just in case the worst happens?

If you go for a walk somewhere, do you wear the best water/wind proof clothing in case the worst happens ??? I don't think so.

You're right, I don't. I buy the ones that I think will best fit what I need. There isn't going to be some arbitrary price threshold that I feel I need to exceed.

[Countdown]

KimJongHealthy said:

A car is a car, a good driver can easily win WRC in a bog standard Skoda Fabia 1.2 TDi.

A good driver doesn't need a WRC car if all he does is go shopping once a week.

[Order66]

I bought a set of wheels (to eventually be used for winter tyres) for my 5-series. Have been running them just to get some value out of the tyres before i throw them out for the winters - they have a pair of "Jinyu" which I've stuck on the rear.

Fine in the dry, but the slightest hint of moisture on the road turns them into absolute comedy. They are ridiculously dangerous. Even when towing with a decent noseweight helping them get traction they can trigger the TC just pulling away from the lights. How they are legal I have no idea. I was thinking I would wear them down over the summer, but there is no chance of this, they must be made from solid granite.

Needless to say when I have to transport the family I take the Mrs car if there is a hint of rain as it really is too dangerous to drive. Otherwise if I'm on my own I head straight to the closest roundabout and giggle like a schoolgirl Who needs a welded diff or hydraulic handbrake - there is NO WAY I'm replacing these before the winter!!!

[SWoll]

Countdown said:

delboy735 said:

Countdown said:

SWoll said:

Spend a few quid more and buy a set of decent mid-range tyres that offer a wider envelope should the worst happen and your view of suitability be proven wrong .

Why mid-range? That sounds like a compromise - why not the aboslute bestest tyres out there just in case the worst happens?

If you go for a walk somewhere, do you wear the best water/wind proof clothing in case the worst happens ??? I don't think so.

You're right, I don't. I buy the ones that I think will best fit what I need. There isn't going to be some arbitrary price threshold that I feel I need to exceed.

Same argument again. You have no idea what you'll need as its not possible for you to foresee or avoid all adverse situations. All you can do is minimise risk by equipping yourself as best you can to deal with them.

Arguing that you only need tyres that are proven to perform poorly due to driving a bit more slowly or only making short journeys is sheer stupidity. At least be honest and admit they're st but you buy them because you either lack funds or don't care about safety enough to spend a bit more on something that performs significantly better.

[Digby]

EazyDuz said:

As stated a few pages back, the tests are about as useful as a chocolate teapot.
The drivers ability is the variable which dictates the ditchfinding, not the tyres. Rubber is rubber, a massive amount of weight forcing that rubber into tarmac, they all have adequate grip

Quite.

How boring are tyre snobs, huh?

You can drive with no tyres and still not spin.

All those getting their knickers in a twist over budget tyres I assume also have brake upgrades, added airbags, roll cages, better seatbelts, fire extinguishers, breathing apparatus onboard (incase they end up in a lake) blankets and shovels for unexpected snow...

[Digby]

Oh and not forgetting all of them must have 4WD. Anything else can be deadly.

[xjay1337]

Digby said:

Quite.

How boring are tyre snobs, huh?

You can drive with no tyres and still not spin.

All those getting their knickers in a twist over budget tyres I assume also have brake upgrades, added airbags, roll cages, better seatbelts, fire extinguishers, breathing apparatus onboard (incase they end up in a lake) blankets and shovels for unexpected snow...

I do, actually!

Yesterday I saw a very nice Caddy van with Porsche Cayenne brakes on it.
Excellent.
However it had SUNEW tyres. Pointless. Stock van on OEM tyers would stop faster.