So I did buy some LingLong Ditchfinders
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Digby said:
xjay1337 said:
I don't think anyone is saying you have to spend £XXX on tyres.
Only to stick with reputable brands and good performers from tests and independent user reviews.
That happens to co-incide with the higher end of the price bracket.
So everyone must have the highest rated car for safety and the highest rated tyres (even 2nd position will not do) .Only to stick with reputable brands and good performers from tests and independent user reviews.
That happens to co-incide with the higher end of the price bracket.
If not, you are saving money and not buying the best....just as some may do with tyres.
Someone mentioned it being pointless having big brakes with crap tyres, so what's the point in having great rubber, great brakes and a Caterham 7 which will crumple like a McDonald's ashtray when hit by a truck? Why bother with anything other than a 4X4?
No matter what you buy, big brand name or not, someone will tell you they are too soft, too hard, not correct for a vehicle, good in the dry but not wet, good in the wet but not dry, too noisy...
You are going to be the unluckiest person in the world if you find yourself in a situation akin to a tyre test demonstration where 20 feet+ extra stopping distance in the rain from a budget brand is going to punt some kid into a tree or cause a fireball on a motorway.
I also assume every single person who has twisted knickers also fits Winter tyres?
Not a single person falls in to the "Never needed them...never been stuck" camp?
Yeah, righto
As for independent user reviews, I have seen them moan about any make you care to mention.
I drive more slowly when I know AD08s and Rainsports are near their limit and I do the same for budget tyres.
The end results are always that in almost any emergency situation, I will always stop because I won't be going as fast on the budgets as I would on the more expensive tyres.
Confidence is the killer. Make them all like driving on ice I say.
ker.Learn to debate and discuss what I actually said rather than making up arguments to suit your point of view.
Digby said:
People tell others to buy better tyres, yet when asked why they never fit the best either, they get the arse.
Welcome to the internet, folks
I remember when no-one would have touched Toyo, Kumho or Falken tyres. Now people race on them. I also remember buying Vredesteins when hardly anyone in the UK had heard of them.Welcome to the internet, folks
The worst tyres I ever had were a set of Pirelli P6000s, so brand doesn't tell you everything.
Digby said:
People tell others to buy better tyres, yet when asked why they never fit the best either, they get the arse.
Welcome to the internet, folks
I said "don't buy budgets". Because they are proven to be awful.Welcome to the internet, folks
I've never said not to buy a quality mid range tyre.
I have used Kumho / Falken etc in the past and would be happy to do so if I was not in the financial position to afford decent tyres.
I actually bought a new pair of tyres costing £300 yesterday (Yokohama AD08R). Which are one of the best for the type of driving I do.
However it's impossible to have a decent discussion with you - as I have quoted, you are the typical strawman that blights these forums.
Digby said:
Retreads always go down well, too.
Mentioning that they are also used by HGVs and airliners usually sets someone off
Time to face facts people; If you crash because of your tyre choice, you are not the driver you thought you were..
Having worked in the retread department of one of the big OEM's, I can tell you that this is correct. However I can also tell you, that lorry and airline tyres are designed to be retreaded (up to 3 times when I worked there), whereas car tyres, are not. Mentioning that they are also used by HGVs and airliners usually sets someone off
Time to face facts people; If you crash because of your tyre choice, you are not the driver you thought you were..
And from what I can gather, Linglongs are designed not to deflate. And that's about it.
xjay1337 said:
I said "don't buy budgets". Because they are proven to be awful.
I've never said not to buy a quality mid range tyre.
I have used Kumho / Falken etc in the past and would be happy to do so if I was not in the financial position to afford decent tyres.
I actually bought a new pair of tyres costing £300 yesterday (Yokohama AD08R). Which are one of the best for the type of driving I do.
However it's impossible to have a decent discussion with you - as I have quoted, you are the typical strawman that blights these forums.
My point is, there's little point berating someones cheaper tyre choice when you can just as easily berate someones mid-range choice, too.I've never said not to buy a quality mid range tyre.
I have used Kumho / Falken etc in the past and would be happy to do so if I was not in the financial position to afford decent tyres.
I actually bought a new pair of tyres costing £300 yesterday (Yokohama AD08R). Which are one of the best for the type of driving I do.
However it's impossible to have a decent discussion with you - as I have quoted, you are the typical strawman that blights these forums.
If people are so concerned about cheaper tyres, why do many who complain then go on to fit cheaper tyres?
Budgets may be proven to be awful under certain test conditions, but millions of people drive around on them just fine.
As I said, show me a tyre make and you will find someone telling you they are rubbish.
It just makes me chuckle.
I would rather be the suggested forum blighting w
ker than get snobby over rubber. Digby said:
My point is, there's little point berating someones cheaper tyre choice when you can just as easily berate someones mid-range choice, too.
If people are so concerned about cheaper tyres, why do many who complain then go on to fit cheaper tyres?
Budgets may be proven to be awful under certain test conditions, but millions of people drive around on them just fine.
As I said, show me a tyre make and you will find someone telling you they are rubbish.
It just makes me chuckle.
I would rather be the suggested forum blighting wker than get snobby over rubber.
Not really.If people are so concerned about cheaper tyres, why do many who complain then go on to fit cheaper tyres?
Budgets may be proven to be awful under certain test conditions, but millions of people drive around on them just fine.
As I said, show me a tyre make and you will find someone telling you they are rubbish.
It just makes me chuckle.
I would rather be the suggested forum blighting w
ker than get snobby over rubber. In a standard size, 225/40/18
Budget - £45 each
Midrange - EG Rainsport 3 (hate them due to fanboy, but they are a decent safe predictable tyre) - £65
Premium - Michelin PS4 - £95
For the sake of an extra £80 over a set, someone won't buy a tyre which is MEASURABLY safer?
You are correct it would be hypocritical to berate someone for buying budgets and then buy budgets yourself.
I called you a strawman because you quoted my post and argued against it using situations that aren't relevant and/or were not what I said. Look it up if it's a term you don't understand
xjay1337 said:
Not really.
In a standard size, 225/40/18
Budget - £45 each
Midrange - EG Rainsport 3 (hate them due to fanboy, but they are a decent safe predictable tyre) - £65
Premium - Michelin PS4 - £95
For the sake of an extra £80 over a set, someone won't buy a tyre which is MEASURABLY safer?
The Michelins are an extra £30 each. So, for the sake of £120 a set, why wouldn't you buy a set of tyres that was MEASURABLY safer?In a standard size, 225/40/18
Budget - £45 each
Midrange - EG Rainsport 3 (hate them due to fanboy, but they are a decent safe predictable tyre) - £65
Premium - Michelin PS4 - £95
For the sake of an extra £80 over a set, someone won't buy a tyre which is MEASURABLY safer?
So I replaced my Conti SC5s with Nexen N8000s on the front of my Passat Alltrack. Have been throwing it round corners and roundabouts expecting to understeer off into the local scenery but not a bit of it. At 8/10ths I can detect no discernable drop off in grip or turn in.
And they were 70 a corner instead of 125, a significant saving.
And they were 70 a corner instead of 125, a significant saving.
hornetrider said:
So I replaced my Conti SC5s with Nexen N8000s on the front of my Passat Alltrack. Have been throwing it round corners and roundabouts expecting to understeer off into the local scenery but not a bit of it. At 8/10ths I can detect no discernable drop off in grip or turn in.
And they were 70 a corner instead of 125, a significant saving.
Midrange tyre in 'similar dry grip to shagged premium tyre' shocker.And they were 70 a corner instead of 125, a significant saving.
hornetrider said:
HustleRussell said:
Midrange tyre in 'similar dry grip to shagged premium tyre' shocker.
Do you think a Conti SC5 with ~3mm would display handling characteristics in the dry that could be described as 'shagged'? If so, why?HustleRussell said:
Being that it has been through hundreds of heat cycles, years of attack from UV radiation and chemical / pollution, and is now slower to warm up and quicker to reject heat due to reduced tread gauge, it should be no surprise that a well used tyre will be out performed by a brand new like for like replacement.
They were eleven months old, but thanks for your quality insight. I'll make sure to look out for it more in future.hornetrider said:
HustleRussell said:
Midrange tyre in 'similar dry grip to shagged premium tyre' shocker.
Do you think a Conti SC5 with ~3mm would display handling characteristics in the dry that could be described as 'shagged'? If so, why?Different story in the wet of course.
Frankthered said:
hornetrider said:
HustleRussell said:
Midrange tyre in 'similar dry grip to shagged premium tyre' shocker.
Do you think a Conti SC5 with ~3mm would display handling characteristics in the dry that could be described as 'shagged'? If so, why?Different story in the wet of course.
I can well imagine a road tyre on a family estate used for trips to the shops and motorway commuting has put extraordinary stress on the tyre, resulting in a significant drop off in dry weather performance through its life.
I can't begin to tell you how hot my tyres are when I park up in Tesco, it's incredible.
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